Posts by blueaqua

Quote from KawaiiSamii

TWICE was ahead for GP until Dynamite.

After Dynamite they are equal.

There really isn't any "higher" you can get for GP relevance than where TWICE is right now.

Both of them are sitting in the same seat at this point.

BTS has a loyal fandom and a large fandom in Japan. They are better handled in Japan as well.

Thus, their sales will always be higher than TWICE's.

Even if TWICE had two Dynamites back to back. They wouldn't be able to rival BTS in sales.

Just like NiziU isn't capable even though their song was comparatively big as Dynamite.

Men will always outsell their women counterparts.

It just how things work in modern Japan and worldwide. Not much more to say.

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NiziU's song isn't as big as Dynamite, even comparatively. Dynamite nearly has double the amount of streams and downloads (harder for fans to "manipulate"). It's longevity isn't as big either.

Quote from crystalblues

Twice and BTS are head and head when it comes to Japan in streams, album sales and stadium shows

Not really. BTS are doing 2x's more YouTube views weekly and their songs are doing better on LINE Music, Apple Music, RecMusic, and Spotify than TWICE ever since Dynamite was released. For album sales, TWICE is now struggling to surpass 100K sales on Oricon when they were able to do 300K-400K in 2017-2019. BTS, on the other hand, are doing 450k+ with ease with their Korean albums & 700K+ with their recent Japanese full album (first time for a Korean act since SNSD in 2011), their singles could probably do 1M+ now since 'Lights' sold ~800K in 2019 (before Dynamite).

Butter is basically #1 on all streaming and digitals sites in Japan (broke Spotify record of 500K+ while TWICE has yet to do 200K). Based on Soundcharts, TWICE have ~500K Japanese monthly listeners from Spotify and BTS have ~1.1M (will increase after Butter).

Quote from jiminhell

dynamite bigger than TT?

Yes. TT can't really compare to be honest.

Weeks in Top 10 on HOT 100:
TT - 13 weeks (only entered top 10 when Japanese version w. physical release was dropped)

Dynamite - 40 weeks (still charting)

Oricon/Billboard Streams:
TT - 80M+ in 4 years(Korean + Japanese versions)

Dynamite - 350M+ in 9 months

Oricon Downloads:

TT - 100K downloads (JP version surpassed 100K in 9 months but the Korean version was out for ~16 months)

Dynamite - 410K downloads (surpassed 100K in 3 months and 250K in 6 months)

* Dynamite charted in top 10 for Japanese radio for 20+ weeks and has been in top 40 for karaoke for nearly 9 months despite being an English song. English songs rarely enter high on Karaoke charts (dominated by Japanese songs).

* Dynamite has ~1.3M views from the two music videos (bside - 500K & original - 800K) on LINE Music. It is the most watched music video ever there. TWICE's most watched has around ~230K views).

* Dynamite is still in the top 4 most streamed songs weekly on Billboard after 9 months and top 3 on Apple Music, Youtube, and Spotify in Japan.

Quote from byakuyav

To see which band is most popular for the Japanese GP, you should check out the Oricon Karaoke chart. Whichever is on the list and whichever is ranked higher, it's more popular. Currently, neither group's songs are in the top 20.

https://www.oricon.co.jp/rank/ko/w/2021-05-24/

English songs pretty much never enter the top 20 on Oricon karaoke. They even struggle to enter top 100 on the Billboard karaoke chart.

Basically, BTS is bigger than TWICE right now, both fandom and general public wise. It even seems BTS will have a bigger peak than them in Japan because Butter is looking like a hit by how it is charting.

Songs by Foreign Acts to Surpass 100M On-Demand Streams in Japan :

Shape of You - Ed Sheeran

Dynamite - BTS

Feel Special - TWICE

Stay Gold - BTS

Bad Guy - Billie Eilish

Boy With Luv - BTS

Dynamite really gave BTS' songs more exposure in Japan!

As of now, no. It does seem to be the biggest girl group hit of 2020 though.

I am not a stan but I am a fan of their releases/music. Blue Hour and Run Away are so good and if they manage to top both for me...

Quote from vzal

Didn't know that. Can you provide some source?

8th to last song: https://www.riaj.or.jp/f/data/cert/st.html

Wouldn't they be the first female foreign act along with Billie EIlish? Bad Guy got certified for 100M streams today as well.

Quote from BlackpinkHouse

Actually, no, in fact i may have made a mistake putting Dynamite "on the cusp" of a national hit in the first place.

To me, national hits should reflect the nation, Korea. An English song made completely by foreigners with no relevance to Korea (all the cultural references in the song like King Kong, Rolling Stones, Lebron and ping pong are American/British in origin for example)... should it really be considered a "national hit"? I mean, imagine if Blinding Lights got 1B Gaon points in Korea...would you really consider that song a Korean "national hit"? I consider Dynamite more of an American pop song and an American "national hit".

You're truly something, lmao. We all know how much you hate Dynamite's [and BTS's] success but trying to deny, or downplay, its impact is just embarrassing. I bet you wouldn't be saying the same exact thing if it was Ice Cream that did as well as Dynamite. Also, "made by foreigners", you're acting as if most idol group songs aren't made by westerners.

Idol groups: pretty much confirmed are BWL and Dynamite

Non idol groups: Shampoo song by JBJ, Blueming, Meteor, Aloha, Eight, Any Song, etc...

Not every single idol group hit released from 2019 can be classified as a national hit lol. Also, the songs I mentioned all received the 100M streaming certification in 5-6 months, similar time as LS & D4.

The boys made some $$$

Just report the annoying and bitter user.

Anyway, it is quite amusing seeing BTS accomplish or get something that many kpop fans say they will never get. LV is the biggest luxury brand and the fact they managed to get all 7 as endorsers is impressive.

Quote from daniel-cruz

I like WHO a lot. Like, In past few days, I've been listening to it a lot.

Their voices blend very well together, surprisingly. I wish the song was promoted more by his team because it could have done better overall.

BTS x LAUV

BTS x Steve Aoki

Quote from uknowwhat

I've been saying this since last year, NCT is the 2nd biggest boygroup and will continue to rise. Give it a year or 2 and they might challenge BTS when it comes to album sales.

Not @ you trying to drag BTS into this mess, lmao. The sales of a group with 4 different sub-units with 5-7 comebacks a year can't be compared to the sales of BTS who is barely coming back twice a year now.

Quote from beyoncesvt

SEVENTEEN HAVE 4 COMEBACKS 2 KOREANS AND 2 JAPANESE: +3,4M sales

I think they were just doing Korean sales but I am not sure. I don't really follow either groups.

Quote from Artemosia

5M/23 = 217k

2.6M/14 = 185k

Exactly

Your logic is flawed since all of the NCT units had like 4-5 comebacks last year while Seventeen had 2.

Quote from beyoncesvt

That's my POINT! they are actually 4 different groups... if you unite them you are having 4 fanbases

so is logical to have sales.... and if you see their NCT full group sales aren't that far away from seventeen... imagine seventeen having the same SM thing.

Stop dismissing seventeen.... or even EXO... the nerve to even try to get that #2 from a legendary group like EXO

Yeah, the 4 sub-units have different comebacks/promotions and it seems like their fandoms tend to divide themselves as well. It doesn't make sense to combine all of their achievements/sales as one. When NCT Dream won a daesang at the AAA or whatever, it is not like the daesang belongs to the entire NCT entity. They are also nominated/awarded as separate groups at award shows. So, idk.

BTS and EXO are fixed at #1 and #2, respectively. NCT and Seventeen aren't far off from each other but in my opinion, it isn't fair comparing one fixed group with a male AKB48-like group. Since the latter benefits a lot from having so many members that can appeal to a wider audience (boost sales).

Spring Day. No other 3rd gen idol group hit has similar stats as SD and it was the 4th biggest hit on Melon decade chart (Cheer Up was #16 to compare). Jaesuk mentioned how he loves Spring Day and Seho mentioned how it was his favorite song when BTS appeared on YQOTB.

IU, Ji Chang Wook, and so many other celebrities have covered, played, or mentioned the song this past year despite being released 4+ years ago (appeared on 2019 Gallup 2 years after release). THAT is impact with the public.

EDIT: Dynamite seems to be coming for its neck to be honest (charting performance + GP impact).

Quote from MassiveKpopFan

Top 5?!

It was #3 last week on YouTube Japan and currently #3 on Apple Music, #4 on RecMusic, and #2 on Spotify. It is predicted for Dynamite to re-enter the top 5 on the HOT 100 next week.