You're welcome. This is a very simplified way of breaking it down. I'd have to do a lot more detailed work for a better breakdown but this is a kpop forum and nobody cares for that outside of maybe wsoet. Even the question OP asked is loaded since it's not asking for the top5 girl groups in a specific context. Is it for 2024, since 2022 (when NJ and LSFM debuted), or over the course of all of their careers (all of which started at different times). Honestly, the fact that NewJeans topped 3 of the 4 categories I laid out as the youngest group of the 5 is incredible. youdon't have to like them or their music, but I respect just how large they've become in less than 2 years.
We get this kind of question more than 10x a year comparing the top groups and the arguments goes beyond the just relevant metrics. It’s not easy to define what metrics should be considered because we all think differently.
Personally, especially when talking about a general “who are the top acts”, I would only look at the streams/digitals/sales that you mentioned. I don’t need to know if they went to Lolla, roofhits, advertisements, etc.
We can't use tour gross/attendacne since NewJeans is the only group who hasn't gone on tour yet.
But we can use international certifications as a stand in.
1. NJ (7 RIAJ certified songs)
2. LSFM (5 RIAJ certified songs)
3. GIDLE (2 RIAJ + 2 RIAA certified songs)
4. aespa (3 RIAJ certified songs)
5. IVE (0)
Taking average position over the 4 categories (the lower the average, the better they perform overall):
1. NJ (1.5 avg)
2. GIDLE (3 avg)
3. IVE (3.25 avg)
4. aespa (3.5 avg)
5. LSFM (3.75 avg)
As we can see, spots 2-5 are all separated by a mere .25 in terms of average position. Outside of NewJeans' relative dominance, the other 4 girl groups are all doing very well in close proximity to the other. NewJeans has a strangehold on Spotify and at the rate Korea is streaming them these days, I don't see anyone challenging them there either unless IVE gets another smash on I AM or LOVE DIVE's level.
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This is the kind of stats i’m looking for - only relevant metrics, clear comparison. Thanks, massive. You’re the best!
I was thinking of a weighted numbers for sales/streams/etc just like wsoet do sometimes but the ranking works too. This is easy to digest.
Yeah agree this is a gen where it’s much harder to define a top GG because there’s so many good ones. There is no group that is significantly ahead of others in any meaningful way.
I think NJ is still a top group ofc.
This is important to define. We all think differently in what metrics are most valuable in considering who are the top acts.
You think BLACKPINK got 13 BILLION streams in under half a year?!
The most streams in a year EVER was 3.1 billion by BLACKPINK. You know who had the second most ever with 2.8 billion? NEWJEANS.
You people are so uninformed it drives me mad sometimes.
You're just posting meaningless words because you can't admit you're wrong and arguing with bad faith and little knowledge of the actual numbers. Howthe hell are these groups going to close the gap, when they all debuted before NewJeans, some of them at least a year before, and NewJeans already has double their career totals and more than the two closest groups COMBINED.
Make it make sense because the math is not mathing. Those achievements were in fact NOT done by other groups. Most of them were the first time we've seen them since SNSD, a full decade and 3 years ago, or they've been done NEVER.
Do you need more achievements?
First girl group to ever chart 5 songs on the Billboard Hot 100 in the same calendar year in K-Pop history
Set a Guinness record for fastest artist to reach 1 billion streams on Spotify and also became the fastest Korean act in history to reach 3 billion streams
5 songs have surpassed 300 million streams on Spotify–no other 4th gen group has more than two
Hold the record for biggest streaming month by a girl group on Spotify in 2023
Second most weeks on the Billboard Hot 100 by a girl group (tied with Ice Cream and behind Cupid)
NewJeans is the highest-charting K-pop act this year on the Billboard Global 200 Artist, the Billboard Global Excl. US Artist.
Hype Boy has the most weeks (42) on the Billboard Global 200 of any girl group song
Highest charting and most streamed K-Pop girl group on Japan Hot 100
Ditto is the longest charting 4th gen song on the Japan Hot 100 (52 weeks)
If you people think this kind of gap can be closed with one comeback and one viral song, you do not need to be posting opinions on this topic, or at the very least, shouldn't be trying to debate with me.
Stick to boy groups, fam.
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I'm just repeating the things that I already said lol
Those achievements just prove why NJ is #1 not how the others are far behind.
I said the others can also achieve what NJ has or maybe not - let's just see next year or next come back. Gosh,
Are you high? They have more Spotify streams than aespa and IVE combined, the two groups people tried really hard to put on their level and are still doing.
Do you not understand how insane it is to get 4.2 billion streams in less than 2 years? They're literally on a Guiness World Record pace.
And if it's Korea, well, I have some news for you:
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For context, IVE, aespa, GIDLE and LSF released MULTIPLE songs and albums between NJ's two most recent releases and Get Up.
In other words, NewJeans only has two new songs compared to two new ALBUMS in the same timeframe from aespa and IVE and are still dominating Circle.
They are that far ahead of everyone. I know nobody here wants to actually inform their opinions and click on the thread I linked, so I'll paste some stats for you.
Awards and Achievements:
First female artist to win both Artist of the Year and Song of the Year at both MAMA and MelOn Music Awards in a single year
First girl group to win Artist of the Year at MelOn Music Awards since Girls' Generation in 2010
First female artist to win Artist of the Year at MAMA since Girls' Generation in 2011
First and only 4th gen group to win Artist of the Year daesang
First girl group to win multiple daesang awards at both MMA and MAMA in the same year since Girls' Generation in 2009 (MMA) and 2NE1 in 2010 (MAMA)
First and only 4th gen girl group to win Best Female Group at MAMA
Only non-Japanese track to win Song of the Year (Ditto) at Japan Record Awards
First winner of Billboard Top Global K-pop Artist at the Billboard Music Awards
Joined Wonder Girls and Girls' Generation as the only girl groups to top the Gallup Korea surveys of both Songs of the Year and Artists of the Year.
First girl group to top the Gallup Korea Artists of the Year since Girls' Generation in 2011.
First girl group invited to perform at Lollapalooza
First group invited to perform anthem for the 2023 League of Legends World Championships
First group invited to perform at the Billboard Music Awards
First girl group invited to perform at Dick Clark's New Year's Rockin' Eve
None of their peers are close.
EDIT: Please tell me you didn't look at the Spotify numbers and not do the math to see that NJ already having a 3rd of BP's total streams, when they're not even two years old yet, is insane....right?
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You are so pressed lol. I said NJ is the obvious #1.
Everything NJ achieved may or may not be achieved by their peers in a year or in a comeback. It is not farfetch as you think it is. It is just a matter of if the other groups can close the gap.
Daesang, Gallup, Music Fests were achieved/done by other groups maybe not just in a scale of NJ but they did.. and that is where I believe NJ queening is not carved in stone yet.
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....There is no argument for any fourth generation girl group being anywhere near NewJeans' level.
People don't seem to understand that NewJeansfrom debut through all of 2023 wasn't just a little ahead of their peers. They were in a completely different stratosphere altogether.
NJ was the obvious number 1 but they aren’t too far. Their achievements is still closer to that of their 4GGG peers than BP.
I think we’re just quick to put Aespa against NJ now because we can see the charts as it is. But in a scenario where there is no NJ vs Aespa:
• Aespa is killing like they do now but without NJ
• NJ is 2 and 3 in kcharts and underperforming in some metrics compared to previous comebacks but IU, Zico, or viral nugu artist is dominating or BTS/BP
The answer would still be NJ. I think the votes right now is more of a projection.
Next comeback will tell. Interesting how 4th gen GG #1 reign is so short and we kinda accept that in this gen, it is more of a Top 3/4/5 dominance rather than a Top 1.
honestly i feel so bad for le sserafim because they are unfairly going to have to carry the weight of hybe’s shady business practices. those girls have donenothing wrong and i hope people don’t dogpile on them.
Too late. Haters just have another reason to hate the girlies.
In my years as kpop fan, this hate on LSFM is the worst i have ever seen.
Netizens reacted to this with comments such as “I wonder if they just held a fan meeting,” “Is this an event for fans?”, “If this happens, the artist’s image will also get weird,” and “I’d rather only allow Jin albums to be eligible for entry.” there is.
It is a fan event ✅
It is a celebration of BTS anniversary, not just Jin’s. It just so happens only Jin can do this.
ARMY membership is always a requirement to all things BTS. Paying members do get priority for sure.
Album purchase is mainly their way of knowing who are participating in the event. It’s definitely not fair for those who already have their albums and don’t want to buy more but want to be part of it. I kinda get why buying albums is like a ticket to participate; It is a direct support to their music but there should be other ways to participate but I can’t think of suggestions atm lol
