Posts by catzi

STOP staring at my wife!!!!!

Laughs in brazilian

She look stunning, that stage was beautiful. Leeseo said they'll have a comeback soon, I think it's ballerina concept

All of g idle were stunning

I only got into kpop in 2017, but i think 2nd gen was the best because everything seemed more creative, risky and fun

Irene representing every introverted girl out there ❤️

Ironically i used to have more fun with kpop the genre when success was irrelevant and i genuinely thought every single group was at the same level, with no difference besides music and concepts. Yet when I got into forums fanwars were the most fun part, unfortunately arguing is just fun. The trick I developed is to keep enjoying kpop as it is and dettaching my messy self from my actual personal opinions, if that makes sense. I don't think any kpop stan, when in a discussion, really mean what they say, they only say it because they love arguing on internet and i can't blame them for that, it's an addictive feeling that only those who tend to win arguments have. Is it toxic? Yes. Could it be used in a more productive and helpful way? Absolutely. But if I say I dislike it I'd be lying, I love to surprise myself with the way I can sustain an argument even if it sucks for other people. Fortunately most ppl here know it's just healthy banter, but I understand why it may sound too aggressive and toxic for people that are just watching. I used to think the same when I wasn't involved in said fanwars. In a way kpop become similar to sports where ppl act insane for the teams they support but let's be real they're far worse than us, but i see this tendency not only in kpop but also pop music and rap. People tend to argue passionately about things they like and sometimes charts can be part of the discussion.

She had just debuted and made history

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I somewhat disagree

As long as you give the group a distinct concept, unique musical identity and an overall branding that clearly distinguishes them from their senior labelmates, you don't have to debut a girl group, if your latest, greatest act was a boy group.

You can even debut two boy groups around the same time and have great success.

The perfect example of that is YG debuting both Winner and iKon, and both groups had excellent rookie years. Amazing how a company even as frequently poorly managed as YG understands the simple principles of not debuting two groups with overlap formulas and concepts

I do agree that HYBE believes in profits margins and market cap over any dubious commitment to music (a phrase ironically coined by the ousted Min Heejin).

No company in this industry is getting nominated for any humanitarian awards any time soon, but HYBE have no real culture or ethics as a company, no matter what they spin in their PR statements, and that has been painfully obvious this year.

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I get where you're coming from but at least iKon and Winner were directly set up as competition for each other which stimulated the fans; that's another smart strategy by YG, even if toxic too. If we pay attention to how the general reaction was when bighit was rumored to debut a new group, everyone, especially armys, had a big anticipation of being a gg. Txt debut didn't happen in the right timing, imo. And they weren't unique enough to stand out from bts, yes they had fans and were the most successful 4th gen bg for a while but that didn't last long, other 4th gen bgs including skz which debuted a bit later caught up pretty fast. So I think bighit only saw profit but didn't consider the right time. Depending on the right time, some things can skyrocket naturally or tank.

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U and being mas about txt

Bg tours, touring bring money

Gg stans make hate it but that th reason Super junior is alive with ggs don't last pass 7 years

I think a smart kpop company would want to debut their groups for each to be bigger than the next. A rookie bg to be labelmates with the biggest bg in the world would be obviously overshadowed no matter what. But a gg, after armys biggest fanwar being with bp? Massive hype. Extreme competition among kpop fans. Guaranteed numbers. And then after a while another bg to satisfy the crowd and the new generation while Bts is in hiatus.

Imo it can't go wrong.

That's why Hybe is stupid, they think only about money but not about strategy long term to stay relevant. And they're paying the price now.

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my first comment on akp

living in a shithole dictatorship country this kind of snarky, pathetic move can't ever fool me

Damn, you were truly ahead of the time.

Even non fans like me that noticed the similarity didn't expect for it to be a replacement. I only said they were going to flop when there was rumors about their concept being similar to nj and after debut that they were obviously copying nj in some aspects like choreo and concept, but i had no idea it wasn't a mutual agreement and there was an inside war happening at hybe.

I think they're a stupid kpop company. So no. They were stupid to debut a bg after bts. They were stupid to acquire tons of kpop companies just to manage them like shit. They were stupid with the way they dealt with scandals. Stupid management can't last long

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Where’s Tati been? She’s been so quiet lately. I remember when illit debuted, she was against them, saying they were made to replace Nj while a lot of Tokki here defending the group. And she predict the feud between Mhj and Bsh correctly way before it went public. What if she’s actually Mhj

I think she was the only tokki who admitted what was going on while every other single tokki was in denial and mad about other kpop stans noticing the obvious

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No, u can't make me believe yg being involved in drugs, human trafficking, extortion is as bad as ggs copying themselves

U all got worms for brains

This is not about the company or the owners, it's about the ggs?

If i had the chance to end up in a group like bp or any hybe gg there's no doubt which one I'm picking, good luck thriving in a hybe gg

My survival comes first

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by that logic nobody should debut gg

sm:

(btw sm has more gg before this but I cant remeber what they went thru expect for milk being a flop)

snsd: jessicagate

fx: sulligate

rv: bully irene

lets see what wait for aespa

jyp:

wg: man, let see, sunmigatee (for a while), sunyegate, debaclae after america promo

miss A: SUZY and the suzunitas

itzy: nugududom

nmixx: never were out of nugudom

twice: tzuyu flag mess (but they ok now)

yg (vgbhb)

swi.t: yg broke the group himself to marry a member

2ne1: bomgate, then minzigate

bp: barely alive

baemon: still nugudom

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I don't think any of these are as bad as hybe's, all of these ggs kept their legacy and thrived despite the odds

I suspected that the moment txt debuted as bts hoobaes. That should have been the first flag, because they were incredibly stupid to not surf on the 1st gg expectation armys had to compete with bp

Not even close. It's an earworm song so it's successful, but it will age like dance monkey bc at some point people will get sick of the chorus.

Pretty savage, kick it, kill this love, crazy over u etc stood the test of time. These are great songs

Something about how it's written make it look like the words were twisted so it looks worse than it actually is. Either way they should avoid involving other groups in their mess, wtf. Stupidest company in kpop, no wonder they're falling so fast despite building an empire in the shortest amount of time.