No other 4th gen girl group had more success than Gidle. For the love of God, Gidle has like 4 different PAK in a row! I love Aespa and even IVE sometimes, but 2023-2024 was Gidle's year! Anyone who says otherwise don't know anything about them. The stats are right there!
Also, they're easily in the TOP3 as the best-selling girl group of the 4th gen! Especially this year!
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I would never downplay g idle because I know their struggle and their amazing achievements. They deserve to be at the top. But aespa, ive and nj always were the top3 most dominant ggs of 4th gen. That's not denying that g idle is one of the top groups. I would easily put them above lsf, illit and etc and they could indeed get another group's spot in the top3 next year.
I just checked and actually it seems they're on top90, goddamn plave flooded the chart and pushed a lot of songs to the bottom lmao. I had no idea they were this big in korea, possibly the hottest bg there at the moment. Hype boy is at 83 too, last time we had this discussion there it was #25 and i swear it doesn't seem like it was that long ago
Don’t be sly you explicitly said Aespa has 1 successful cb so we can call them top group?
And btw I didn’t call Ive flop! They are at my top 3 list and I commented about much earlier in this thread too
Aespa was also a top group in 2023 btw
I just presented you that Spicy and Drama peaked at 1 and 2 respectively, and Aespa also had 2nd best selling album of 4th gen! They also had Drama which is a bigger hit internationally than any I’ve song! Aespa also finished their 1st world tour with 300k + attendees. So how Aespa was not a top group in 2023?
also let's not exaggerate and say that drama was bigger than any ive song, that's a lie. The only aespa song to do so was supernova and it's not a big gap as you think
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Aespa didn’t finish their tour! Their total numbers will be out after they finish it! And Aespa also sold out Tokyo Domes this time 2 times totally 4! And they will have an encore in Kspo dome(Aespa girls said)
Eas means Equivalent Album Sales and the source is given under that tweet.
Aespa also promoted Armageddon for 1 week with total of 3 music shows because of health reasons and to rest to prepare for their tour
About Tokyo Dome, IVE didn't perform there yet but their Tokyo Dome sales are above even boygroups, including Enhypen and SKZ. No other gg in the top5.
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Oricon News itself reported that the tickets were all sold out in 10 seconds.
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Aespa Spotify streams in 2024 1.5bn streams
How much Ive had in 2024? I couldn’t find info but they are much behind Aespa on Spotify
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Drama is also bigger hit than any Ive song internationally
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IVE had reportedly a 440k of attendance and both sold out concerts for KSPO dome and Tokyo Dome. Sorry to inform you but they do have bigger numbers in tour, the only gg to surpass 440k along BP and Twice.
Idk what EAS is, but kpopsalessummary shows that aespa sold 1.4 for supernova while ive sold 1.7m.
IVE has always been disrespected before debuting people were wondering if a post Izone group would do well, they exceeded the expectations with eleven but it wasn’t enough they need another song to prove it they’d stay, after love dive they did again but then NJ debuted with attention/hype boy and I remember despite IVE having 3back to back hits some questioning if they deserved ROTY.
Now the standards is that if they don’t top melon they’re declining meanwhile we have other GG declining in other metrics noone cares. It seems like some people have higher standards for some GG. Nothing new.
After everything IVE achieved there would be ZERO doubt about them being a top group if they were from big4. This doubt only exist because IVE is the first girl group to surpass big4 metrics without coming from big4.
I love irene and seulgi's. Will vote for seulgi because the spookier, dark concept fit my taste better. I lovedlike a flower, but i hope irene get darker songs in the future too, imo it matches her well.
I was ready with a rant about howSM stans are so brave these days but they were quiet as hell when their faves weren't doing as well or when their faves have scandals and shit but I'ma be nice and save it in them drafts
Not just them, it seems like every big4 fandom feels brave to talk about ive. I clearly remember how they all said le sserafim had surpassed ive and now they're all quiet about that. At least now they are trying to give space to g idle so Ive won't be considered as dominant lol.
The standard is always so high for non big4 and always so low for big4.
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IVE have sold more album but they are very close both group in sales
gidle didn't tour internationally yet so it's hard to compare touring between them
ANd yes
But i'm just speaking on recent performances
- Gidle have a better performance overall in digital this year with Fate and klaxon
- both are non existent in international chart
- ive sell a lot and have good touring but it's weird how small their fandom is in voting they were almost out of the top 10 fans choice at mama with Itzy at #10 at the end of the voting
IVE was only able to make it into the top 10 thanks to the twitter vote
I'm not disregarding IVE achievement or performance but this year they have been on a downward spiral
With baddie, either way and the other song of this era making absolutely no impact
And then ascendio who didn't even enter top 20 when kitsch for example charted at #1
And Heya doing well but having a pretty weak longevity and already being in the top 80 of melon just 6 months after release
And their international charting keep being weak which is unusual cuz usually groups touring internationally gain momentum internationally and help them improve their charting.
IVE had a good 2 year run but 2024 have been their weakest year imo
And Gidle is in the same position with 2022-2023 being very impressive for them and 2024 being pretty weak
I'm currently putting ive and g-idle in the same tier cuz imo currently they are in the same position
- very good album sales
- korean charting decreasing
- and no presence in international chart
That's why imo the first one of the 2 group being able to finally make a entry in international chart will help them stand out from the other gg
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korean charting decreasing yet the lowest their promoted tt got was a #2 in all charts after being sandwiched by spot and supernova, 2 of the biggest songs in korea in 2024 lmao
Also sales? Ive is the 2nd best selling gg of all time only behind twice, it's not close at all.
It's not as high as their peaks but both supernova love did chart on international charts.
What does this mean for other 4th Gen GGs? Disbandment?
That's what's most mindblowing to me.
If other ggs aren't able to keep up with Ive numbers in tour and sales, then how are they really the top group if they are surpassed by a group that supposedly isn't?
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The fact that "kakao privilege" was a term created specifically to explain ive's success by antis when this tweet show what happened was literally the opposite lmao.
At this time they only had a dream and the whole kpop fans community against them and no strong fandom to support them
And i'm talking about the reaction cuz the MC was mentionning all the "top group" and you could clearly see how different the reactions was for gidle, aespa and nj compare to illit, ive and lsrf.
But IVE stand out a bit more to me cuz after the whole year illit and lsrf had with the hybe mess, the cold reactions was predictable.
But considering tha IVE didn't do anything wrong in the last months, had no scandal etc ... The cold reactions seems less understandable
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Yet that didn't stop them from being the top #1 gg of 2nd gen, nor their 8 consecutive #1 on charts. Let's not act like we are stupid ffs. If Ive isn't a nugu, neither was snsd when they debuted in fucking SM. Stop trying to rewritehistory.
There's a very clear difference between being disliked and being unpopular, i would assume fans of popular kpop groups would know that
I want to point out IVE's touring in attendance per show is not better then Gidle, just that they did far more stops on their world tour.
They basically did 1.5 of a world tour, as they went to many places back and forth again. Like did a Japan and Seoul, went outside there, then did Asia again on the same world tour.
If I combined half the stops of previous Idle's world tour to their current one I'd get near IVE's result too. Idle can't also tour a very popular country for them (China).
They've (Idle) also had 4 consecutive PAKS including the only one with 4 different comebacks, still on Melon also etc, which you listed earlier.
I don't mind if you personally want to rank IVE ahead, but making it some sort of declarative thing is far from a done deal like you try to make out.
Idle conclusively had a far better performing 2024 too then IVE. Look at the end of year - Idle are basically 2nd for the Daesangs behind Aespa, IVE aren't even in the top 10 this year on MMA.
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IVE still peaked at #2 on MelOn Daily, just like aespa will do with Whiplash, and their other numbers were extremely solid.
I don't knowwhy you're dinging them for their "recent performance", when the timeframe between Next Level and Supernova was MUCH longer, and no aespa song was nearly as big as either of those 2 songs during the gap in between.
You lost your shit when people downplayed aespa in 2023, when nobody would dare rank them above IVE, and now you're so eager to kick IVE out of the top3, even though their "struggle" was hitting #2, and the comeback before that was a PAK...
Make it make sense.
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Yama defending Ive, that's what I call character development, love to see it
So it does made me think that ive have been on a downward trend these months
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That's such a silly logic
Ive had 440k people who went to see them at their world tour and had 1.7m sales with a single album, yet it's the reaction from a crowd with kpop fans of all groups that tells if they aren't popular or not?
If that's the case then snsd must have been so unpopular when they got a black ocean.
