Posts by Yuckfire

Quote from Alex_Murphy

Yes, some accusers have definitely backed down. For now it mostly revolves around the sisters, and Seo Shinae. And their stories are completely unrelated, so they don't automatically validate each other.

What I'm curious about is the testimony of the few people who took Soojin's defense on Pann; if these people (or other witnesses) are willing to testify as part of the legal investigation then it should add some real weight to Soojin's stance. Right now it's only word vs. word and everyone believes what they want to believe.

What I mean by back down is that they admit they lied or misunderstood like in mingyu's case.

They are all being sued by cube so anything they say will be used against them in court which might explain the silence.

Of course its word vs word and that's why soojin is losing. Maybe something can show up and save her tomorrow but it seems like everytime that happens something worse than before hits her later.

look after soojin's statement, I said this would escalate. Now it has. Not only has no accuser back down but now she has been directly accused by an anti bully advocate who shared this same story in 2012 who also more famous than she is.

Cube has 2 choices: they kick her out or they ride or die with her and even the last option will eventually have a "to hell with this" point

Quote from freakyfantasy

second that. I can never understand such strong feelings for one's country, that go beyond basic human decency and reason.

Nationalism is not a love for one's nation, its a hatred for others.

I once saw gidle perform uh oh without soojin and it was extremely hard to watch.

Quote from BlinkNation

Bullying is never acceptable, and it sounds like Korea has a huge problem with school bullying and that needs to be addressed. No one should go through it, and I don’t like how people underestimate the affect it can have. Victims can suffer for their whole lives because of it.

However, it makes me pretty uncomfortable to think Soojin’s whole career could be ruined because of something that happened when she was 13. I understand if it is a serious sexual or violent assault, but otherwise it seems a bit Orwellian to me that people are retrospectively punished and “cancelled” for things they did when they were children. How can people ever change if they get attacked for anything bad they ever did, often by people who are just looking to ruin someone, instead of actually caring.

Irene didn’t lose her career over berating a woman to the point of tears as a grown woman, so it would seem rather bizarre if Soojin lost hers after being mean as a child. Not saying either of them should lose their careers, despite Irene’s behaviour being disgusting, but it just seems so backwards.

I think the real scandal is whether soojin is lying about it and is cube trying to threaten folks to be quiet because if something comes out that proves she did all this, that's why I would no longer be able to defend her.

Quote from Alex_Murphy

Well, I didn't expect this to drop in the middle of the night, if at all. Sure a statement from Seo Shinae was asked for. But I think I, like many other people, expected Seo Shinae to rather address the cigarette planting incident and the graduation letter incident. Anyway, so we're back strictly on the verbal abuse accusations.

What intrigues me the most with her statement is how it doesn't add up with previous accounts about Seo Soojin's behaviour at that particular time. Several people stated that at the time Seo Shinae transferred to Waw Middle School, Soojin already strayed away from her former group of friends. One key witness who claimed to be Soojin's closest and only friend at that time denied the accusations made against her. So how does it add up with Seo Shinae's statement that Soojin abused her for two years?

Of course, the anonymous users who testified in Soojin's defense might have been liars, just like some of her accusers were found to be liars. In any case, we're back to square one.

Another thing interesting I think is Seo Shinae confirming that they never spoke face to face. As she said, it was only shit-talking in her back. How much of this shit-talking did she hear firsthand, and how much has been reported to her by someone else?

I can't wrap my head around why Soojin would call Seo Shinae out if she's not certain of what she did do and what she did not do. It's just sounds crazy to me. Some are gonna say "because she doesn't remember". Please, if she indeed verbally abused the young actress for two years just like Seo Shinae said, I can't see how she would have forgotten it completely. She would have to remember, at least partially.

I'm curious to see how Cube are gonna react. If things happened the way SSA said they happened, I can't imagine Cube would have defended Soojin like they did. So they either have all the evidence and testimonies that prove otherwise, or they mostly trusted Soojin's word and were deceived. If it's the latter, we should know pretty soon as I can't imagine Cube would keep her any longer.

Oh and I don't think it's a problem that Seo Shinae still doesn't name Soojin in her writings. Everybody knows at this point, and even in a legal case I think who is targeted would be obvious to any prosecutor/attorney. So it's not something that should be held against her. I blamed her for not writing clearly what the fuss was all about; now that she did, let's move on.

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I like this one the best as it's realistic.

this actress was always the main issue. This wouldn't have ended up such a big thing if not for her.

Quote from ZestyMochi

Staying neutral, anyone who is picking sides right now needs to stop. Now what I want to know is if what this actress says is true what does she want? Can Soojin ever apologize or does she just wanna put this out there. Also why is she refusing to outright say Soojin's name, I find that weird. The only way I could see this being solved is if other classmates speak up and say something in support of either person

if she gives soojins name, she will be sued for defamation.

Quote from hopemin

you mean authoritarianism

nothing inherently communist about censorship

happens in capitalist countries too

You can't have communism without authoritarianism or how else does the state stay in control the means of production?

Censorship may happen in capitalist countries too but you know full well what happens when the state does it in those nations.

Quote from nityasingh

Can anyone tell me why the Chinese government owns their idols ? I mean most of them are doing the same shiz. I know owning them will be a biggest point for influencing but at this extent ?

Communism

if they want in china they have no choice.

The NBA and Disney do the same, ain't no way k pop has a chance.

Quote from gerrard174

i honestly dont believe that Jimin intentionally bullied Mina. Sometimes, i feel that people are too rushed for conclusion for this kind of scandal.

They obviouslg were good friends but dont know what triggered to turn the relationship sour. All i know is the bullying situation was exaggerated

Exaggerated? Mina is not sane and We know she is not sane and blamed jimin for it.

Jimin could both be her friend sometimes and her bully other times. I don't know how tell folks this but people aren't comic book villains.

Either way, something was definitely wrong in that group.

seems like only big hit had a good year and by big hit I mean mainly bts which too be honest isn't bad at all.

this was one of serious ones....

Quote from Alex_Murphy

Amen to that, brother.

We might be butting heads here and there but it merely stems from conflicting point of views. Unlike this JaAIDS bozo who's been jerking off with bliss over Soojin's misfortune since day one.

Thank you, my friend.

Hopefully this ends soon, gidle usually take 4 months to comeback so it would be around may. Not a huge fan of their music or style but they have the fanbase they have for a reason.

Quote from Yuckfire

You are bad company, my friend. I don't share this joy you get from this scandal.

I got idols who I like and i wouldn't want them go through this whether they did it or not. It happened a long time ago and it should have been dealt with then.

Not every idle fan is like a hammer, hitting anything that looks like a nail. Most are just pissed that this is happening to someone they love and respect and Knetz wont let her defend herself

I don't know why they are getting mad at me just because I didn't like her statement yesterday which she probably didn't even write but im used to having an unpopular opinion. Its an internet forum with strangers who I don't even know. Who cares what they think?

I want this over yesterday and I don't care how it ends. It has gone on way too long but I doubt it will neither side wants to back down . court will not settle this as they recommend settlements in korea.

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Quote from JaSida

Don't listen to others. They are children especially Gidle fans will always trying to attack you if you speak the truth. It doesn't look good for Soojin. She released a statement after a while and all of a sudden remembering everything when she couldn't remember before lol. Cube and Soojin are making up their statements as they go.

The victims do want this go to court for sure.

You are bad company, my friend. I don't share this joy you get from this scandal.

I got idols who I like and i wouldn't want them go through this whether they did it or not. It happened a long time ago and it should have been dealt with then.

Not every idle fan is like a hammer, hitting anything that looks like a nail. Most are just pissed that this is happening to someone they love and respect and Knetz wont let her defend herself

I don't know why they are getting mad at me just because I didn't like her statement yesterday which she probably didn't even write but im used to having an unpopular opinion. Its an internet forum with strangers who I don't even know. Who cares what they think?

I want this over yesterday and I don't care how it ends. It has gone on way too long

Quote from kwally

As if you know about the Korean laws, it's not even about them at this point, all you're looking for is to milk the hate that Soojin is facing without checking facts. None of the supposed evidences claimed by both parties are proven real, you guys are quick to pick a side while being ignorant about the other one.

Thank you, an adult.

This should never have been a public dispute. It happened a long time ago and should have been settled back then or now personally.

Quote from gerrard174

Kettle calling the pot black.

Hey, as long as you admit im right . I don't give a fuck if you think im a hypocrite.

Then again you're the guy who thinks " innocent until Proven guilty" works in the court of public opinion so maybe I should take what you think is childlike behavior as a grain of salt.