Posts by RunOutOfIdeas

This Is Lisa's best song. It's nice but Rosalia's part in the middle of the song ruins the vibe. Take that part out and it's a good song

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I'm actually not taking you remotely seriously and just killing time before I start my scheduled evening activities.

You geniuses are the ones who bumped the thread and quoted me, and then you want to cry when you get the exact energy you deserved.

In other words

Can I be toxic? Sure. But like I said, it's equal opportunity. I don't care if you're a male fan or a female fan. If I disagree, I'll let it be known.

The arguments you've made in this thread are naive, ignorant, crude and counter productive to any meaningful progress in reducing the obvious tension between some male and female fans.

I'm a MooMoo. I'm used to being the only guy in the room or at the table, whether me and my fellow MooMoos are meeting up at concerts or getting some KBBQ together. It's amazing what open mindedness and inclusiveness can do to bond people together, regardless of their sex, ethnicity, religion and orientation.

It's you terminally online virtue signalers who poison the communities.

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I am totally convinced that you didn't take me seriously. Obviously you never got triggered and never got mad. I am totally and thoroughly convinced this is true.

Thank you for spending you precious time showing me how right I was.

Have fun in your scheduled evening activities.

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Your username to content ratio is very powerful. There isn't even a coherent or cogent point you're trying to prove at this point. I used the word "triggered" facetiously, but based on our exchanges, I'm not surprised you took the comment at face value.

Were I actually triggered, you'd know, because I would be, as they like to say, reading you to filth and making sure every word hit its mark in the process.

Believe it or not, this is the nice version of me.

If you're that determined to be sexist and toxic, I actually have better things to do than talk you down from the cliff. Just don't be mad when you fall off the edge, because you think bigotry is the best response to bigotry.

It's funny watching people without virtues try to virtue signal.

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This whole post screams triggered and it's utterly entertaining. I imagine you squeezing your head to find things to be condescending to me or trigger me and patting you self on the back for making it big enough to show me. Lmao

This unworthy one thanks you for this free entertainment this late at night.

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I really have little patience for people desperate to be the victim as a shield and justification for their own toxic, thoughtless behaviors.

If I'm condescending, it has nothing to do with my gender. It's just my personality. Trying to attribute literally ever facet of a person's characteristics to their sex is just flat out stupid.

And am I judgmental? Yes, I am. Of stupid people, regardless of whether they're male or female. You won't find anyone more equal opportunity than yours truly.

And yet you were triggered by the post of one of the most level-headed and impartial people here because of the group they like. It's just as stupid a thing to do that if we follow your logic.

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I never said there aren't problematic male fans, so I don't know why you unnecessarily expounded on why you hate them so much and your reasoning for justifying treating them like shit

Of all the things that never happened, this never happened the most.

Me talking about why I think there are problematic male fans by giving examples and how they tend to react when some of them make threads about fangirls is neither expounding on my hate for them nor justifying treating them as shit.

Also, I had already made abundantly clear that I was talking about condescension towards female fans in doing similar things and not as them being inherently condescending.

I am afraid though that you wilfully misconstruing my post is another example of what I was talking about.

And even funnier is the fact that I just saw your post on the Suga threads when you did exactly what you accused me of doing.

So me generalisinga certain demographic of fans was bad but you were justified because of bad past experiences. And you were condescending towards me for expressing my opinion while thinking that you are a better person for not generalising while in another thread you exhibited the same behaviour as what I was wrong for simply suggesting that happens and that we might all do it at some point.

You couldn't have proved me more right.

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Agree with everything you said and particularly appreciate how observant you are and have the most balanced take amongst Armys on this forum despite how sparingly you post.

That's nice of you to say. We are all biased here, one way or another, but we can always try to be fair as much as possible.

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I think the eye for an eye approach is extremely destructive and divisive, when something as universally loved as music and entertainment should be inclusive.

Why do we have to respond to hate with more hate and perpetuate a toxic cycle of finger pointing, generalizing and denigrating others for things completely out of their control, such as their sex or age?

Misogyny is wrong. Misandry is also wrong.

I'm sorry that some of you may have had to interact with toxic male fans, here or elsewhere, but that also...isn't my fault or my burden.

If there is a conversation you want to have about the struggles of living in a society that has been structured within the confines of toxic patriarchy, it's a fair dialogue but not one for this topic.

We're just talking about what should be a harmless hobby and a shared passion.

Quite literally, if you unfairly label and vilify male fans who have done nothing wrong, and they end up having nothing but bitter memories and experiences from being involved in the K-Pop community, you WILL have a situation where ONLY the toxic ones will be left to engage with.

It's a damn shame

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Well, music and entertainment were never inclusive for women. The Beatles were only taken seriously when men started liking them. Before that time, it was just hormonal girls music. One of the few things I know about Marvel is the weird reactions to that movie with the female characters. Anything that caters to female audience is considered less than and not something worth of respect.

It's also exhausting to women that the 'please let's all be united and not respond to hate with hate' discussion only happens when women react to the way they get treated. Not when they see female fans get ridiculed..

No one said that it's your fault or your burden to change anything but you can't be asking people to tell you what shaped their views and tell them they they should ignore or be the bigger person.

Most women have heard that when they complain or talk about bad experiences and it can become tiring after a while.

You see, in those discussions I mentioned about the rabid fangirls, it was other male fans kkk'ing about it rather than telling them to stop. Somehow, though, female fans should always be the peace keepers.

The kpop community has its fair share of toxic people regardless of gender. My issue is not so match that they exist because they can be doing in every community. It is the sense of superiority and condescension of male fans, thinking they are better and not seeing what their behaviour is.

Generalising people because of gender or even fandom is the norm and most people have done it here, at some point or another, so it's weird to expect people not to do it themselves.

I have been in kpop for over a decade and I have lost count on the times that I have seen male fans talk about 'rabid and hormonal fangirls that love their oppars'.

It was said with a sense of superiority that they were better fans and more logical, despite the fact that even in smaller numbers back then, there were quite a few of them that matched female fans in toxicity. Not to mention the fact that they dropped their faves when they turned 25 or created fap pages. But in their minds, they were still better than female fans somehow, lmao.

It's like when people talk about Taylor Swift fans when they see them singing loudly. It is seen as something to be ridiculed as hysterical whereas sports fans are seen as passionate, even when they behave in a worse way.

Now that there's the rise of the 4th kpop gen and ggs ruling it, it was even more obvious that male fans can be extremely toxic. The biggest trolls and the ones who tend to go lower when it comes to their posts are male gg stans.

Of course, it is not right to generalize but female fans didn't escape this so I don't think people will do this courtesy to male fans.

I think, at this point, the whole situation not only has been blown of proportion what with the police not being clear and the Korean media turning 'cannibalistic' with the portrayal of it but with the way people reacted to it. It's a serious issue, indeed, but the way people there act every time there's a celebrity controversy makes me feel a certain way. They won't stop until they have broken you completely.
Surely he was completely and utterly wrong in riding that scooter,, whatever it was, and as I said in my other comment here he fucked up and he should be punished accordingly, have his licence revoked and pay the fine. He should also show that he has truly understood where he did wrong.

I don't know if there's a drinking problem or not because in general Korea has a seriously unhealthy drinking culture, to the point that people have to get wasted even in business dinners. It's like getting wasted is a national pastime.

If there is a problem, he should get help. Regardless of this, it was a choice not to walk or ask for a driver so he should be held accountable for it.

Even the way people on the i side reacted was a choice. Some Armys chose to shield and defend him, others to wait and others to hold him accountable. Other kpop fans chose to use this opportunity to take revenge for previous grievances, others to make 4th grade jokes and others to ignore it altogether.
Even here, after the first few pages where fans and non fans alike thought it was a funny situation because the first reports presented it as such, just one person taking it as a joke afterwards was enough to justify the choice of so many pages of weird jokes and even a mod turning shady/trollish. No one was forced to react a certain way, it was a choice.
Well, this is the kpop cycle and next time it will be like that but with the roles reversed.

Regardless of whether the latest reports are true or not, he fucked up. He should have known better than to do that. I know that idol life is hard and he has been through a lot but this was really irresponsible.

Despite the fact that Korea has an extreme and unhealthy drinking culture, they have managed to find ways in order to keep safe after drinking heavily. He could have asked for a driver, the ones who drive your car when you're drunk, call the taxi, call a manager instead of taking that scooter.

Even if at that moment he didn't take into consideration his or others safety, he or whoever was with him should have tried to be clever and selfish enough to think of the consequences on his career and the rest of the group.

And while the ifans side of things might be ok, because for the most part, iArmys at first made jokes or avoided the issue and ikpop fans seem to be more about weird jokes and annoying or laughing at Armys than the main issue, it will be an entirely different matter in Korea.

In a country when reading certain books and having short hair can be a controversy, such a thing can be cancel worthy like few things can.

I know I might sound harsh but things could have been way worse with both him and others getting hurt. I just hope he will get help if it's a recurrent issue and not do such a thing again.

The funniest thing is that YG/TBL management people often justify the long hiatuses between comebacks with the excuse that they were looking for the best quality song and quality> quantity and then they release bad songs like this one which is a total waste of their artist's potential.

Kpop fans have decided that LSF is their new favourite punching bag and nothing will change their mind. The hate boner and the toxicity is almost as if the members did sth to them personally. It would be fascinating to watch this weird behaviour if not for the extreme bullying which has already reached the members.

Personally, as a casual listener, I won't watch it. It's that easy to ignore content that's not for you and move on with you life. That easy.

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I think you are right!

Whenever there is topic like this this is first thing that crosses my mind

Beyonce-Ed-Sheeran.jpg

I think this is amazing example of what is expected of woman vs men.

I think men also like to see mid/average men being successful and surrounded by hot women, being center fo desire and envy.

Random example, but look at harem animes for example. It is always one unimpressive MC being surrounded with beautiful women and just effortlessly dominating.

But what suprises me is that this is kpop.

Koreans themselves care about their looks and dance and doing their best on the stage is implied and expected. So why going against essence of kpop?

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Very good example. If Beyonce chose same style as him, she would be called unkept and that she didn't put enough effort in her appearance/ performance.

Well, in the case of BB, it's more complicated. I once called YG a marketing genius ( that stagnated because at some point he didn't realise he had to evolve but still) and people thought I was mad.

He managed to promote BB as different to other idols. They weren't idols, they were artists. And this (imo often forced) quirkiness was considered Western like, modern and artistic so people were more inclined to accept it.

It doesn't mean that the music wasn't good because they have good songs and they had really good performances. 3 of them were charismatic on stage, each in their own way. Those two things are connected.

But the way they were presented and promoted made them more hip and palatable to the average Korean that wouldn't give time of day to idol music, as they called kpop.

I think it's simply that men have to be the main character/ audience when it comes to the content they consume. I mean even in movies, a female protagonist or general female portrayed experience won't get the same universal interest and have the same appeal. A male character has to be there for the story to be considered of universal human interest. I think there have been articles about that.

A typical bg (whether kpop or not) mainly sing and perform 'for the girls they love'. Their sex appeal is targeted towards women, what with the hip thrusts and the song lyrics are more about worshipping a girl, romantically and sexually.

Since this discussion started because of the other thread about BB I will use them as an example.

BB didn't do choreo, compared to most bgs. They looked unbothered and they were beyond caring about that and they makes men think they are cool.

Plus, their sexual appeal was targeted men. The woman on a leash in the BBB mv, the mv of Bae Bae are some examples that show that their content is closer to male sexuality that has themselves as the main character.

And, of course, looks are important. Most bgs are pretty boys and whether it's jealousy that women love them or fragile masculinity admitting that they like a group of performers that are pretty might be an issue too. It's easier for a woman to admit that another woman is sexy compared to a man.

Blop. This song is not for me but this is a great opportunity for them. Nice!

The purple haired guy's part were a little annoying. Something in his way of rapping is weird.

I really like that this album is a different vibe from FACE and more upbeat and summery.

I don't think Who can top Like Crazy for me, that's hard for most songs tbh, but I thinks I like this album as a whole more.

I can't wait for the Be Mine performance.

I only like the last 30 seconds.

For some reason the song sounds a little amateurish what with the weird repetitive lyrics and that weird beat/sound effect in the background. Oddly enough her YG songs were similar to this but still better.

Lisa is one of the few idols that can try whatever she wants and she will be successful. So I find it strange that she didn't choose to show a different side of hers and she went once again for a rap style song that talks about her fame, success and money.

Something between flop and blop for me.

Cute song and cute video but a very odd choice for a pre release. Not that interesting for that purpose, despite the fact that it's stjh new for Jimin.

The vocals processing is weird but the moment I saw Pdogg I knew there was a great chance this would happen.

Like Crazy is one of my favourite BTS solo songs so I have high expectations for the tt.

It's not bad but it's like a b side. A little bit forgettable.

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You're still here!

Not always very active but still here.

I am certainly glad to see you here as well.

You were always one of the best people here.