Is this Kpop?

the question depends on whether you look at it purely from an lyrics perspective aka is the song sung mainly in English or Korean or something else...

or do you look at the group behind the music

like even for a lot of twice songs they speak English in them and sometimes more English is said than Korean (or Japanese) would that make it a hybrid English-Korean song?

personally I would say that if the group trained in korea like a kpop group and debuted in korea like a kpop group (regardless of what language they sing in or where the members came from) then it would be kpop

K-pop is a location based industry like Hollywood and not a genre

But yes there are certain production values associated with it,

Foremost, is the idol trainee system.

And then the focus on "music you both hear and see", meant more for the camera than the mic-stage,

The group choreography.

Singing in Korean language actually isn't that important.

So in that sense, The Feels, Dynamite, Butter etc are K-pop

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personally I would say that if the group trained in korea like a kpop group and debuted in korea like a kpop group (regardless of what language they sing in or where the members came from) then it would be kpop

Interesting. What takes precedence for you, the trained in Korea or the debuted in Korea?

For example, NiziU trained in Korea like a kpop group, but debuted in Japan, sing in Japanese, and all members are of Japanese ethnicity. Are they K-pop or J-pop by your definition?

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Interesting. What takes precedence for you, the trained in Korea or the debuted in Korea?

For example, NiziU trained in Korea like a kpop group, but debuted in Japan, sing in Japanese, and all members are of Japanese ethnicity. Are they K-pop or J-pop by your definition?

you raise a very good point my friend

taking all of the circumstances I would say niziu is more jpop than kpop (for not) even though I know that they seem really like a kpop group...

I think someone else mentioned that there have been idols who trained in korea yet debuted in the philipines or something so I would say that would be a P-pop group????

I guess there's no set hard and fast rule that if you do 1 trained in Korea and/or 2. debuted in korea then it's kpop but those to me (along with the language to a lesser extent) and also where one promotes the song would be other factors to consider...

like eaj recently released a single in America that's all English and promotes via (his friends I think) who are in his MV so in that example even though I htink Jae trained and debuted in Korea that would be US-pop as oppose to kpop

(does that make sense?)

Any music made by k-pop artists is considered k-pop, regardless of what language it's in.

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Is this song J-pop?

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this is a good song.

cool choreo , very kpop.

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this is a good song.

cool choreo , very kpop.

But it's sung in Japanese. So if the language is the factor, it would be J-pop.

So if Voltage is Kpop, then so is The Feels.

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But it's sung in Japanese. So if the language is the factor, it would be J-pop.

So if Voltage is Kpop, then so is The Feels.

My take on judging whether if kpop is primarily choreo and music vibe , true that other languages for lyrics than korean can twist certain classic kpop flavor. Adding these up, songs posted in this thread are still kpop to me.

I get most J pop songs are different from songs in this thread pretty much every way.

There are countless kpop artists that sing in English. I guess whether you view it as kpop or simply pop has to do with where they promote it and what their audience is. Is it intended for a Korean audience? Then it's most likely kpop. Has it been made with the intention to break into the western market? Pop.