Robberies in San Francisco

What's proposition 47?

I live in Cali but I need to look up what Prop 47 was for.

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What's proposition 47?

Looked it up:

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Proposition 47 was a ballot measure passed by California voters on November 5, 2014. The law made some non-violent property crimes, where the value does not exceed $950, into misdemeanors. It also made some simple drug possession offenses into misdemeanors.

California does still have the 3 strikes law though if the crime involves violence.

Edit: And certain misdemeanor charges can still lead up to prison.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_California_Proposition_47

Interesting. If they were robbing Louis Vuitton, I'm pretty sure they exceeded $950. That's barely even one Louis Vuitton bag.

Well -- the cities already had high-ish crime due to just bad neighborhood conditions in general ( gang influence, poverty, etc)

The new bill likely emboldened criminals to steal but more importantly, they needed to set up contacts and coordination to steal in a reasonably successful manner so likely the "criminal infrastructure" (communications, tactics, etc) had a boost in development as well as an influx of new criminals looking to make a quick buck.

All of that would mean that the criminals get better at stealing period and those who take the law as only a suggestion, the increase in criminal development and the increase of criminals period would allow them or even just embolden them to steal past the $950 cap.

I'm just speculating here but this is what I see is likely.

That or since prop47, news outlets have somehow been a bit more sensitive to crime?

I wouldn't know for sure without hard stats but those are my leading theories.

I do live in a bubble community, idyllic due to the honestly weird policing* or the fact that its a charter city and the company that chartered it is stinkin powerful (even if inactive lol)

*( the prison bus is used to transport homeless to other cities' homeless programs or they just hand them off to a civilian bus service without regard for destination) (police hide out at certain places, rather than patrol around - basically an officer is secretly in charge of a certian sector assigned to them) ( also they spend wayyyy to much on police equipment lol whatever is the newest, they got it)

TL;DR: from what I hear, this kind of crime is common in those areas just like that. The percieved increase could be real and due to the prop, covid desperation, or criminal development or could be only percieved, and due to media sensitivity.

a misdemeanor is still a crime right?

so just because the punishment might not be as severe it's still a crime no?

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a misdemeanor is still a crime right?

so just because the punishment might not be as severe it's still a crime no?

in america a misdemeanor is usually maximum one year or only a fine.

A felony exceeds that and so a misdemeanor is usually seen as a slap on the wrist, as people usually only suffer monetary consequence whereas a felony is something serious that usually means you can't buy your way out. (some people can't pay misdemeanor and opt for a jail sentence. its not a hard and fast rule to jail someone that can't pay but generally that's what happens.)

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in america a misdemeanor is usually maximum one year or only a fine.

A felony exceeds that and so a misdemeanor is usually seen as a slap on the wrist, as people usually only suffer monetary consequence whereas a felony is something serious that usually means you can't buy your way out. (some people can't pay misdemeanor and opt for a jail sentence. its not a hard and fast rule to jail someone that can't pay but generally that's what happens.)

but do they add up?

as in does 5 or 10 misdemeanors eventually mean you go to jail for a long time

like the first misdemeanors one might get a slap on the wrist but what about the 10th one? etc etc

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but do they add up?

as in does 5 or 10 misdemeanors eventually mean you go to jail for a long time

like the first misdemeanors one might get a slap on the wrist but what about the 10th one? etc etc

yep they do add up.

but people only rack up 1-5 misdemeanors for a max 5yr sentence out of a robbery. depends on how they did it etc, if they brandished a gun(misdemeanor) or had assaulted someone (usually a felony)

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yep they do add up.

but people only rack up 1-5 misdemeanors for a max 5yr sentence out of a robbery. depends on how they did it etc, if they brandished a gun(misdemeanor) or had assaulted someone (usually a felony)

ok that would make more sense...

the first (even say few) times you commit a misdemeanor it could just be a slap on the wrist or a fine or something like that but after that it becomes a pattern of behaviour which should carry haarsher sentencing

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ok that would make more sense...

the first (even say few) times you commit a misdemeanor it could just be a slap on the wrist or a fine or something like that but after that it becomes a pattern of behaviour which should carry haarsher sentencing

oh they don't add up in recurring crimes though. If I rob a store the first time vs the tenth time, the maximum sentence is still the same. but if it adds up for each incident of robbery, usually the number of items robbed, so if I robbed four pairs of shoes, I would get four counts of theft with a maximum sentence of one year each, 4counts*1year max = 4 years max.

but if I robbed a store 4 times and each time I was arrested and punished, the first robbery carries the max punishment of 1year, the last punishment carries the max punishment of one year and so do the ones in between. Maximum punishment does not increase for each robbery because I had robbed before.

That being said cases are usually prosecuted on a case by case basis and the range of the minimum/maximum punishments are laid out in law.

the first few times the defendant might be able to get off easy saying "oh they didn't know" or "they are actually good people, this is their only time" and the judge might hand down a low punishments' within the range set out by the law but if its a recurring crime, the judge might be inclined to hand down harsher punishments, not exceeding the maximum.

edit also you typed harsher as haarsher. Just a spell check haha

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oh they don't add up in recurring crimes though. If I rob a store the first time vs the tenth time, the maximum sentence is still the same. but if it adds up for each incident of robbery, usually the number of items robbed, so if I robbed four pairs of shoes, I would get four counts of theft with a maximum sentence of one year each, 4counts*1year max = 4 years max.

but if I robbed a store 4 times and each time I was arrested and punished, the first robbery carries the max punishment of 1year, the last punishment carries the max punishment of one year and so do the ones in between. Maximum punishment does not increase for each robbery because I had robbed before.

That being said cases are usually prosecuted on a case by case basis and the range of the minimum/maximum punishments are laid out in law.

the first few times the defendant might be able to get off easy saying "oh they didn't know" or "they are actually good people, this is their only time" and the judge might hand down a low punishments' within the range set out by the law but if its a recurring crime, the judge might be inclined to hand down harsher punishments, not exceeding the maximum.

edit also you typed harsher as haarsher. Just a spell check haha

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noted...

I just type really fast sometimes and yes even though AKP does have a spell checker embedded into it sometimes I just can't be bothered lol