When we can consider a comeback "flop"?

If I didn’t like the song

Jk

Personally, I judge relative to that group's history and relative to expectations for that specific group/artist. For the latter, meaning a debut from a big company like YG inherently carries more expectations than a debut from an unknown; you have a history of how successful YG's artists are at debut that you can gauge fairly accurately how well new group X should do.

For the former, as an example, I would say Dreamcatcher's Odd Eye was a success for them, because it sold more than their previous albums, continuing an upward trend, and even though it didn't break the top 100, it came closer than any of their songs ever did before. Those exact same stats for a top tier group like, say, SNSD, I would consider a flop, because SNSD has never, not even in their subunits, failed to break the top 40.

I think it's all relative. I know a lot of people go, "Well, Taeyeon outsold Ye-na!" (or whatever) And it's like... and? Is the only qualifier for being "not a flop" literally "the best of all time"? I don't think so.

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If you don’t chart it on the Gaon or melon Year end chart’s top 100 or get it’s equivalent digital index(in case of later releases) I consider it a true “flop”. Last year that was around 200mil digital index points. Just my personal metrics not sure what everyone else considers flop.

Something like Scientist. A big name doing horrendous on the charts.

Charting is bad, everyone hates it, makes no noise on social media, basically everything that was permission to dance without army's charting payola and scamming.

But it really differs for various group

If a so called "nugu" group suddenly charts in top 30, it's a big success but if it's for example BTS or Black Pink and they wouldn't be in top 5

people will yell flop

at the end of the day, it doesn't really matter, as long as you enjoy the comeback

I really don't know what I would consider a flop personally but one has to look at the various factors including

1. time since debut

2. how the group is doing relative to their past

have they increased or decreased their sales/charting/views since last CB

3. how they are doing relative to their peers...

this is especially important since one should be comparing apples to apples as much as possible...it's not right to compare a newly debuted group to BP or Twice but one would argue that Twice/BP/RV are peers in one sense...

Something like BTS ON & permission to dance is definitely a flop by their standards cause it didn't make noise anywhere or on any platform

I don't think BP has a flop cause yes LSG flopped globally but it's also one of their best charting song ever in Korea