In terms of idols - what is bullying to you?

  • What is bullying a idol for you? 29

    1. Criticize their appearance (face, body, hair, skin) (21) 72%
    2. Making fun of their vocals, rap, acting, dancing (12) 41%
    3. Criticize their vocals, rap, acting, dancing (2) 7%
    4. Making fun of their music (7) 24%
    5. Crisitize language skills (18) 62%
    6. Leaving mean comments (20) 69%
    7. Boycotting for things which aren't their fault (12) 41%
    8. Turn off lightstick during performances (black ocean) (21) 72%
    9. booing after performances (24) 83%
    10. Criticize a topic over and over again (11) 38%
    11. Skip idols and greet only team members (17) 59%
    12. Wanting idols to leave the groups because they don't like them (22) 76%
    13. Disliking idols just because they don't like them (10) 34%
    14. Supporting mean comments (with likes) (20) 69%
    15. Calling feminine idols gay (24) 83%
    16. Support mistreatment (17) 59%
    17. Judging female idols more than male idols (revealed naked skin) (20) 69%
    18. Calling idols overrated because of their good visual (9) 31%

    What is bullying a idol for you?


    Some things are obviously bullying, but there are a few things that some people see differently.


    What is a opinion and what is bullying? What do you see as bullying?


    I did all this anonymously. Who would like to comment, can do that of course.

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  • there's a difference between making fun/hating and criticizing. I don't consider criticizing someone's vocal, rap, dance skills as bullying personally.

    Also about boycotting things, it depends. I get that people might not be in full control, or be aware of certain things but if you have a following you know you can influence, you need to be responsible about stuff you endorse and take some accountability if you fuck up. Doesn't mean I support hating on them for it, but criticism is justified.

  • Some of them are bad, but rather than considering them as strictly bullying, things like racism and sexism aren't strictly to bully idols? I guess both could be part of bullying too, but sometimes sexist or racist people don't do it to bully. It really doesn't make sense when I try to explain it.

  • somethings are definetly not like the others.

    Criticizing music, vocals comes with the job as long as it's pure criticism.

    I don't see black ocean as bullying either although i understand how hurtful it can be to an artist. But one has to earn an audience not expect it.

    Shit like supporting mistreatement, criticizing language skills, gay jokes, snubbing specific members etc that's just wild.

  • criticizing rap, vocals etc isn't bullying....if you can't do your job properly, you get criticized everywhere and the idols aren't an exception

    but you gotta know how to differenciate between hate and criticism....many people can't do that on both sides ...

    and also you you gotta give them chance to improve and don't bring their bad performances from xy years ago again and again if they improved...then it kinda is bullying


    also making fun of music isn't bullying imho if said fun isn't over the top...people keep making fun of the Naevis part in Aespa Savage because well it's funny lol but moderation is the key

  • Doing anything negative persistently, it becomes bullying


    If I say I dont like this idols look and vocals, then just stop watching or hearing them, doesnt make it bullying.


    If I persist on listening to them, watching their vids for sake of criticizing it, then it becomes bullying.

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  • I think supporting mistreatment and petitioning to get idols you don't like kicked out of the group would be the big ones for me.


    I think the others are very much an "it depends on what's specifically being said and the context." People will say you're "bullying" an idol for pointing out an objective fact or for criticizing something simply adjacent to the idol (e.g. "I don't like the stylist's choice of shirt for this performance.")

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  • imo you can disconnect from the internet, but when you have face-to-face situations you have to deal with it. therefore, I would choose all the situations that affect idols literally n personally. :pepe-back-away:

  • there's a difference between making fun/hating and criticizing. I don't consider criticizing someone's vocal, rap, dance skills as bullying personally.

    99% of kpop stans don't know how to criticize things and that's the problem. It's never "I don't like this" or "I don't think it's good" it's always "this is the worst thing to ever exist and if you like it then you're a fucking idiot" or people who continually drag other groups under the guise of "it's just criticism" when it's continuous.


    There are people who have to chime in on anything a group releases just to get a drag even though they know they don't like the group or don't intend to give it a legitimate try. It always makes me think of someone calling a pizza place every time they sit down to eat a meal just to say "your pizza is shit".

  • Being hateful and criticizing stuff with no valid points to keep criticizing. Consistently.


    I know that in Kpop, being critical and hateful has an insane fine line and that's a big problem, but still.


    I think bullying is about consistency of bad actions towards someone.

    It's okay to criticize with actual points, but criticizing someone for the same exact topic consistently, even if it's an old topic that the person already moved on from it, is clearly bullying for me.


    Also, whatever comment about someone's appearance is bad in my opinion. Keep it to yourself as much as you can.

  • Some of these things are only as bad when it's done consistently by a significant amount of people, and others are just straight-up disrespectful. Like leaving a mean comment is terrible, but it's only at the level of bullying when it becomes a trend. Everyone on this earth has probably encountered someone saying something rude, but we can brush it off and move on, but when you're constantly criticized, it gets to you. I think it's better to look at it by intent. Was it meant to be helpful, or was it intended to be malicious? People with good intentions will admit when they've crossed a line and stopped. The opposite will keep poking to see how far they can push people.

  • context matters


    any of those things you mentioned may or may not amount to bullying or criticism


    we first must define the elements of what bullying actually is:


    Bullying is unwanted, aggressive behavior among school aged children that involves a real or perceived power imbalance. The behavior is repeated, or has the potential to be repeated, over time.


    Bullying is when people repeatedly and intentionally use words or actions against someone or a group of people to cause distress and risk to their wellbeing. These actions are usually done by people who have more influence or power over someone else, or who want to make someone else feel less powerful or helpless.


    Bullying is not the same as conflict between people (like having a fight) or disliking someone, even though people might bully each other because of conflict or dislike.


    now each individual's opinions of what amounts to bullying is different...for some people it's a much lower scale whereas for others it's a much higher one as seen by the comments above...

  • Going on their personal SNS commenting negative things. And this even minutely negative. Please don’t go on personal accounts to say negative things. Even one comment is too much.


    Continuously writing hate comments under articles. If you say a song/idol sucks once. It’s not bullying. If you comment it over and over again in all posts, articles that’s bullying.


    For me it’s just those two.

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