So the jealousy has always been there....

    Quote from chuusaintyves

    SM groups always seem to have hate followings before they're even born, people said SJ was way too many members, SNSD black ocean, RV's debut was called "not up to sm standard", aespa had their ratings on melon attacked....

    Because their abilities are threatened of them. Sm artists have always been the best vocalist of their generation. This has always bothered some fandoms. Not only talented but many Sm idols are educated and intelligent. Some people don't like perfect idol image I guess. It's like I sounded like I was a company fan but I'm not, but the trainings SM gives are improving their idols in every ways. This is why SM idols are so envious in general :thumbup:

    Quote from Yumeku

    It’s tiring to watch a group get hated for no reason even before they show up. EXO still get unjustified hate to this day. I still don’t get how CY scandal is believed and dragged on by everyone when it’s one of the most ridiculous stories with no receipts. I can think the same scenario happening to any established idol and everyone would treat it as a joke that shouldn’t even be addressed. They’re so eager to hate exo members that they will believe myths if it’s necessary. 90% of the blame lies on SM incompetence for not giving a clear statement regrading the situation but they didn’t confirm shit like these people want to believe. They refrained from giving a comment probably because how ridiculous the story is. They later conducted investigations and sued the accuser (who was anonymous and disappeared from earth but y’all decided to believe that “victim”). Yet these people still ignore this part and pretend the story is real because hating EXO is so easy. I don’t know what’s worse the anti cafes or the antis now. Antis back then were the scum of earth but at least they were clear about being antis, people now hating on CY pretend to be self righteous which is sickening because they would defend their fav’s ass if they encountered the same silly situation.

    Agree

    Quote from haesoovoiceship

    Sm stans are not the ones staning all groups from sm, it's the ones stanning sm stocks, sm new trainees, sm activities, sm not even debuted groups and and the ones accepting sm decisions concerning all groups against an individual group. :wellr:

    It can't be both though.

    You mentioned that 'SM stans' are the worst enemy of SM groups.

    But if like you said, SM stans are the ones stanning SN new trainees and not even debuted SM groups, then those can't be the same people that hate SM trainees and SM groups before they even debuted and spread toxic fake news rumors about them even before they debuted yet - those can't have been the 'SM stans that stan SM new trainees and not even debuted groups'.


    In the same line: those who bashed EXO before their debut couldn't have been SM stans, since according to your definition, SM stans love new trainees and not even debuted groups.

    Those ELF who hated on SNSD and helped arrange black oceans, those weren't SM stans either: those ELF hated SM, SNSD and other SM groups, and only really cared about Super Junior.


    Me, I don't think the majority of the people bashing SM groups and idols even before debut and spreading fake news rumor about them, are fans of other SM groups (or 'SM stans' as some like to put it).

    I think it is and always has been part of the great deflection and distraction game: to distract from the fact that the majority of those shaders and bashers are actually stans of other companies and non-SM groups who happen to be SM antis as well, and who hate SM groups or feel threatened by them.

    Coincidentally also the same people who call all fans of SM groups 'SM stans' with no exception, to distract from the fact that they themselves are often far bigger, more hardcore company stans (of JYP, YG, BH/HYBE etc).


    Back then I visited several of those anti-cafes and sites like those of STAND (=SNSD antis), to see what moved them.

    I wasn't surprised to learn that a large number of them were Blackjacks, YG stans, and JYP stans and such.

    I agree, for newly debuted groups it's not sm stans aren't bashing them.

    Doesn't change that for the rest of the time, their priorities is more defending sm image than their groups.

    But one goes with the other...

    Quote from Zenning

    Yep. YG stans and JYP stans were far more into loving and worshiping their bias' company and CEO than fans of SM groups back then, and then they still dared to call fans of SM groups the biggest company stans, right after they praised 'Papa YG' or talked about 'YG family' or 'JYP family'. The lack of self awareness of them was just

    My dislike for JYP and YG company stans is endless :pepe-life-support:


    SM stans too, but tbh I don't think that many SM stans exist. EXO was hated by SM fandoms not SM stans imo.

    Quote from Yumeku

    Oh I remember their anti "projects" forum section where they brag about the things they did to hate SNSD. Like editing their fav mvs with fake translation subtitles bashing SNSD.

    Yeah, they were really proud of it when some of their hate projects took off and had some degree of success , they even celebrated on their sites and forums X/


    Like when Jessica's twitter account got blocked very soon after she created it due to mass reporting, or when extra bashing and uproar occurred due to their purposely flawed translations of some Korean clips. And so on.

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