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Wut? He's the producer not songwriter. And he didnt produce Dumdi or Hwaa, both of which hit top 8 on Gaon. In fact, her songs without Big Sanchez did even better than the ones with him...
BTW, Soyeon wrote Latata, Senorita, Lion, OMG, Dumdi, Hwaa, and Hann completely by herself. 
Amen to that.
Still, most of her songs have two people credited, period. Compare that to hits released by bigger groups; there's like 8 people working on one freakin song sometimes.
Plus, I'm sorry but not, Big Sancho didn't do all the work. They worked together. And as a producer she is the only one who directs the voice recordings of her fellow members (and herself). Her work has been documented on video many times.
So you're right, she hasn't done this ALL BY HERSELF, but she didn't need so much help. Why trying to downplay her accomplishments then?
Wut? He's the producer not songwriter. And he didnt produce Dumdi or Hwaa, both of which hit top 8 on Gaon. In fact, her songs without Big Sanchez did even better than the ones with him...
BTW, Soyeon wrote Latata, Senorita, Lion, OMG, Dumdi, Hwaa, and Hann completely by herself.
My point is she have not done any songs solo beherself like it sometimes sounds like, but she have co-writers to all the songs.
My point is she have not done any songs solo beherself like it sometimes sounds like, but she have co-writers to all the songs.
Which is still better than what 99% of idols will ever achieve. So I fail to see your point.
Which is still better than what 99% of idols will ever achieve. So I fail to see your points.
Yes, sure, but fans to the groups always make it sound like they are doing everything themself. It's bit naive to think she don't get a lot of help from other more experience song writers and producers insidet the company and around the group.
Wut? He's the producer not songwriter. And he didnt produce Dumdi or Hwaa, both of which hit top 8 on Gaon. In fact, her songs without Big Sanchez did even better than the ones with him...
BTW, Soyeon wrote Latata, Senorita, Lion, OMG, Dumdi, Hwaa, and Hann completely by herself.
What’s insane to me is this boss started songwriting for real bc cube kept delaying their debut due to lack of songs. So she just went, “fuck it, imma write one” 
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Yes, of course among girl groups. I only made this thread to poke fun at the other threads revolving around "4th gen leadership".
Yeah, those were funny not gonna lie!
Point remains though, (G)I-DLE are a force to be reckoned with when it comes to being self-produced, especially among girl groups.
Rather than naive, I'd say it's more convenient. And it's not like things didn't come from her. She gives birth to all the songs she's credited for, recording voices and a core melody on a keyboard. Then of course, all the work that involves arranging and fleshing out the songs is done as a duo with another, more experienced producer.
But the girl is only 22 years old, she's a fully active member which involves working on all the other stuff too like her teammates (promo, dance training) so it would be quite unfair to give her a hard time for not actually doing absolutely everything all by herself.
Basically this. My comprehension of the events is, Cube probably had songs already but were short of one for the mini album they planned to release. So Hui of Pentagon advised Soyeon to write one herself, since she already wrote solo songs before that. That's how LATATA ended up added to the pool and eventually chosen as the title track.
More than naive, I'd say it's more convenient. And it's not like things didn't come from her. She gives birth to all the songs she's credited for, recording voices and a core melody on her keyboard. Then of course, all the work involving arranging and fleshing out the songs is done as a duo with another, more experienced producer.
But the girl is only 22 years old, she's a fully active member which involves working on all the other stuff too like her teammates (promo, dance training) so it would be quite unfair to give her a hard time for not actually doing absolutely everything all by herself.
That’s more than fair. Some of my favorite k-pop composers aren’t doing it one-man at all, as well. In fact, is there even a one-man production team for any kpop groups? Because I haven’t seen one. Even fave Crush has a team for his own music production.
One man production team? Unclear. There are some songs that are worked on by very few people. But it's not the majority case; it's mostly b-sides and/or nugu songs for nugu groups by nugu companies.
Then there's the Mospick case. I love Mospick's work for girl groups, but to this day I still don't know if it's one dude or a team. 
More than naive, I'd say it's more convenient. And it's not like things didn't come from her. She gives birth to all the songs she's credited for, recording voices and a core melody on her keyboard. Then of course, all the work that involves arranging and fleshing out the songs is done as a duo with another, more experienced producer.
But the girl is only 22 years old, she's a fully active member which involves working on all the other stuff too like her teammates (promo, dance training) so it would be quite unfair to give her a hard time for not actually doing absolutely everything all by herself.
I'm not attacking her in anyway, it's more meant for the fans that constantly bring it up and overplay it all the time with the "self-producing" claim like the group are writting and producing all the songs all by themself. I get it, she probably come up with some basic sound, lyrics etc. for some of the songs. But she probably get a lot of help with getting it all together to a complete song.
I'm not attacking her in anyway, it's more meant for the fans that constantly bring it up and overplay it all the time with the "self-producing" claim like the group are writting and producing all the songs all by themself. I get it, she probably come up with some basic sound, lyrics etc. for some of the songs. But she probably get a lot of help with getting it all together to a complete song.
Yes but not that much. (G)I-DLE songs are pretty minimalistic anyway. Take Latata, it's such a barebone, simple beat. When she joins the producer in the studio to work on the songs, she comes in with a rough demo version which ultimately the final version doesn't fall far away from. That's why I guess she's always credited as the first composer.
And again, she's the only one in the recording studio to direct the other girls. She's the one who tells them how to sing, what she wants from them, the emotion she expects of them... which is usually the producer's job. So in that regard she's a producer in her own right.
In terms of over praising an idol's music credits, I've seen way worse honestly. Soyeon on the other hand, I think she earned her praise alright.
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