Beliftlab did a favor by debuting Noh Yunah, who trained with NJZ and Le Sserafim, but did she help Illit?

  • I was not aware of Noh Yunah's story until recently.


    I only knew that she trained in Fantagio, a minor company , which makes her inferior to other members who trained under more major companies.


    Noh Yunah's fellow Fantagio trainees include Dayeon of Kep1ler, Yujeong of Lightsum, Hong Yeji (an actress) and a couple others who debuted in other minor acts.


    All of these did participate in the infamous Produce 48 series, and Yujeong got to join its most famous victim, but it is possible that Yunah's story might be even more desperate than their stories.


    After that Fantagio released all of its remaining trainees and Yunah joined TS company, infamous for suing every single idol under its belt, and then around 2019 , when Source was just acquired by Hybe and Min Heejin also joined, Yunah became a trainee at Source.


    so she trained with other Source music trainees, including Jennifer of Le Sserafim, and all of the NJZ members.


    As everyone knows now, MHJ took the best trainees of Source and formed NJZ, and Source had to recruit Miyawaki Sakura and Kim Chaewon from IZOne to form a new group.


    Jennifer Huh, Kim Garam and Hong Eunchae wer eadded from the Source music traiene pool, plus Nakamura Kazuha, recruited by So Sungjin, were added to that group.


    So , Noh Yunah was passed by both MHJ when NewJeans were being formed , and also by Source when Le Sserafim was estabished.


    And, when Kim Garam was cut, Noh Yunah was not considered as a replacement to her.


    Normally, in this kind of situation when a trainee is passed over two times, he/she is released to seek another path in minor companies and Noh Yunah was 18 at that time, too late to find a position in larger companies.


    Yet, for some inexplicable reason, Source still retained her, and she was moved to Beliftlab.


    I won't repeat the story of R U Next. Wonhee , Minju and Iroha qualifeid in the top 5, Youngseo left, and they wer enot going to debut Bang Jeemin no matter what, so two spots remained.


    Sakai Moka was the best scoring Japanese trainee after Iroha so she was added.


    However, for reasons which puzzles me to this day, Noh Yunah was added, over arguably more deserving trainees.


    And, when Youngseo left for unknown reasons, Yunah clearly became the odd person out in the group.


    Although Yunah is the oldest, since she began her career in a minor company, Park Minju, a YG trainee, is the leader for all practical purposes, and Yunah has no authority over the members.


    Like the leader of another Source act, Sowon who added nothing to the group and to the last day of GFriend just carried along like an excess baggage, Yunah is just carried along, not really fitting into the group (although since Illit will try a more mature image so it remains to be seen how she fits into there).


    Why she was retained is a question but they might have seen that she has some merit. However, why she was selected , and why she was not cut when Youngseo left , might be because of sympathy; after being passed over in Produce48, NJZ and Le Sserafim, the head of Beliftlab might have felt some soft spot over Yunah, who was 20 when Illit debuted and too old to try her luck anywhere else by that point of time, and it was too cruel to kick her out although it now became unlikely that she would add too much to the group (she has always scored last in the fancam ranking, both in Korea and Japan).


    Still, business is business, and Illit would have been doing much better if when Yongseo left they cut Yunah and put 1 or 2 other members more suitable to the current concept to follow up Magnetic's success.

  • Tough journey for that girl. Being passed over as if she were like two week old cheese sat in a fridge 😮‍💨


    If she didn't end up in ILLIT (which I still think is the wrong fit for her, along with Iroha), then I could've seen her being the leader of SouMus's NGG that's expected to debut next year, which'll likely be a mature concept.

  • The premise of this thread seems kinda harsh ^^


    I still wonder why she didn't make the final cut for LSF because she's a better fit there imo. I remember early on LSF was aiming a bit more for fierce model concepts, and Yunah would've been a perfect fit for that. I believe visually speaking she does have a face card that fits that concept to a tee. Plus, her height is similar to majority of the group, even if you were to include Garam. I think her vocals would've complimented LSF well too, but maybe she was a late bloomer and wasn't ready yet.


    I didn't watch RuNext but based on what I've read that show was very rigged lol. I'm still confused how Chanelle didn't make it when I remember on twitter there was a lot of hype for her because of the show. Plus, vocally she would've easily been the best member in the group. I think she would've been a better fit than Yunah for Illit.


    I like Yunah, and I want to see her win due to the negativity surrounding her in the group. I think Illit would benefit if they tone down the cute concept they're going for to better fit the group. I think the group is an odd predicament where I think Yunah, Minju, and Iroha would benefit if they tone down and possibly go for a darker concept. While the other members work better with current concept. There's ways to blend the concepts to better fit each member, but the question is, if it's worth changing what's working for Yunah or is better to stick with what's working?

  • Tough journey for that girl. Beinf passed over as if she were like two week old cheese sat in a fridge 😮‍💨


    If she didn't end up in ILLIT (which I still think is the wrong fit for her, along with Iroha), then I could've seen her being the leader of SouMus's NGG that's expected to debut next year, which'll likely be a mature concept.

    Unlikely, she would have been too old for that

  • Harsh but business is business


    Wonder why she didn't make LS. When Garam was cut she should ahve been eput in instead.


    Illit was built around Wonhee, who did not train at all, so it was going to hvae a cutesy concept so Yunah did not belong.


    However, given that there are signs of Illit turning into more mature concepts, it remains to be seen how unah would be utilized, since it is now clear that the attempt to run the group around Wonhee has failed. Wonhee is trying to learn Japanese as fast as she can to survive in the group while the position of 'center' has permanently passed to Minju.

  • Depends. The NGGs could be slightly younger than her... I didn't realise how young Eunchae was until now, so I feel like if those two debuted in the next NGG, it would've been better 😌

    nah, it's rare for an idol to stay with the same company after failing to debut twice. I guess in her case it would be 3 times, but I guess could consider NewJeans a special case, so we'll ignore that part. Also, weh ave to remember with 5th gen they don't seem to be debuting many idols that are older than 21. So, she probably would've been cut by then because I doubt Hybe/Source would keep her that long


    I agree with this assessment that they initially made Wonhee the center, but it didn't work out. It's why they have shifted Minju to center because I feel she's the most versatile member. I think she can fit whichever direction they want to go with and her vocals stand out the most. So, I can see why they made this change because like you said business is business, and Minju is the member that can advance the group imo.


    As for Yunah, we will see how she fits, but I'm noticing she's getting recognized more her visuals. I think changing the concept will help her out the most. Now is her time to shine because if she doesn't get attention with the change, then your analysis in the op is spot on. Personally, I think she's an all-around talent when it comes to signing, dancing, and visuals. So, maybe this shift will work out for her

  • The group would be lacking without her. She's a solid vocalist with a vocal tone that adds a nice dynamic to the songs. She is a good leader. She demonstrated good leadership skills in RUNext. Never really saw that much with minju (minju is more soft and reserved, I don't think that makes for a good leader). She has a lot of confidence and energy which makes her great in variety and interviews. The rest of the group are kinda quiet/shy, it would be boring without her. She doesn't look so out of place when she is styled decently. They just need to avoid giving her overly juvenile outfits, she looks great apart from that.


    She's a solid all-rounder who has shown passion and dedication for a long time. I don't think it's weird she was chosen. There are actual idols who don't seem to offer anything special and don't really show any passion and that's when I wonder why that idol was chosen.

  • Minju?


    Um. I'm not sure about that since cursive singing isn't the most versatile.

    My bad, I was talking about concepts for versatility. However, I think even if she's a cursive singer she can fit most type of songs. Low key I think Yunah has the most potential in group. I think her ceiling is higher than Minju because I think if we combine singing and dancing, then her ceiling is higher as a performer imo. I just htink the tricky part is they most likely won't make her the center or focus, so we most likely won't see full potential.


    I feel with a group like Illit, it wouldn't hurt to experiment to have comebacks focused on certain members. I'm curious how a Yunah focused comeback would look like because as a performer her potential is high imo.

  • My bad, I was talking about concepts for versatility. However, I think even if she's a cursive singer she can fit most type of songs. Low key I think Yunah has the most potential in group. I think her ceiling is higher than Minju because I think if we combine singing and dancing, then her ceiling is higher as a performer imo. I just htink the tricky part is they most likely won't make her the center or focus, so we most likely won't see full potential.


    I feel with a group like Illit, it wouldn't hurt to experiment to have comebacks focused on certain members. I'm curious how a Yunah focused comeback would look like because as a performer her potential is high imo.

    Oh interesting.


    I most definitely agree with you on this, though. She is the most well-rounded member in ILLIT and I might be giving into the voices but she would fit LSF a lot :pepe-peek:

  • Oh interesting.


    I most definitely agree with you on this, though. She is the most well-rounded member in ILLIT and I might be giving into the voices but she would fit LSF a lot :pepe-peek:

    Her doing the spaghetti challenge with Yunjin gives you the vision of that


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  • I didn't watch RuNext but based on what I've read that show was very rigged lol. I'm still confused how Chanelle didn't make it when I remember on twitter there was a lot of hype for her because of the show. Plus, vocally she would've easily been the best member in the group. I think she would've been a better fit than Yunah for Illit.

    chanelle was popular with ifans but not very liked in korea. She was ranking last place in terms of korean voting. Overall she never actually ranked high because of that. But apart from that she had attitude problems. Whenever something didn't go her way she would lose her cool. Would be pretty risky to debut someone like that.

  • nah, it's rare for an idol to stay with the same company after failing to debut twice. I guess in her case it would be 3 times, but I guess could consider NewJeans a special case, so we'll ignore that part. Also, weh ave to remember with 5th gen they don't seem to be debuting many idols that are older than 21. So, she probably would've been cut by then because I doubt Hybe/Source would keep her that long


    I agree with this assessment that they initially made Wonhee the center, but it didn't work out. It's why they have shifted Minju to center because I feel she's the most versatile member. I think she can fit whichever direction they want to go with and her vocals stand out the most. So, I can see why they made this change because like you said business is business, and Minju is the member that can advance the group imo.


    As for Yunah, we will see how she fits, but I'm noticing she's getting recognized more her visuals. I think changing the concept will help her out the most. Now is her time to shine because if she doesn't get attention with the change, then your analysis in the op is spot on. Personally, I think she's an all-around talent when it comes to signing, dancing, and visuals. So, maybe this shift will work out for her

    Yunah would have trained for more than 8 years by then. Unlike E.Jae, granddaughter of an old movie star and from a wealthy family, Yunah lacked the merit to be retained for a long time.


    Minju made the most impression during Magnetic so that is why Illit is where it is now. So it is natural that she should grab the most attention


    Yunah is good on all aspect but nothing special , and in that level being good is not enough. Again, since Illit will try a more mature approach this time , this is her do-or-die moment.

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