Sone vs Uncomfortable Conversations!

I don't have any uncomfortable topic about SNSD, but the Jessica one is just boring. Since she left, we talked about this millions of times, so there's no point talking about it anymore.

We still don't know anything and never will, probably.

BTW, members can sabotage each other or the group, it happened with multiple groups, AOA is another example.

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I don't have any uncomfortable topic about SNSD, but the Jessica one is just boring. Since she left, we talked about this millions of times, so there's no point talking about it anymore.

We still don't know anything and never will, probably.

BTW, members can sabotage each other or the group, it happened with multiple groups, AOA is another example.

We don't know "nothing." We just don't have enough new information to make discussing something that happened a decade ago more worthwhile. I thought maybe the other members would start speaking up after leaving SM, but they didn't. Their silence speaks volumes IMO.

The biggest example of internal sabotage in Kpop history is still T-ara. I've always hated snakes.

In a high-stress, highly competitive industry such as this, there are going to be those who feel like they have to sabotage their fellow members.

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True, many say that it's boring.

I believe some things are known, especially from one side, but not the whole story partly because the other side chose not to say anything.

And that's why I don't believe anything, basically. What we know is that Jess wanted to run her company while in the group, and SM and the investors didn't like that for obvious reason, and because of that the shit hit the fan.

I still think it's 100% BS that the members voted her out, at a company like SM Idols don't have a say, they might try to convince her, but that's the only thing I can think of.

I always thought that Jess wasn't into the Idol life anyway, it was a stepping stone for her, just like for many other Idols, but SM can't allow that when they're their biggest moneymakers.

I still think SM screwed over everyone, not the members, not even Jess. For me, this was like the beta version of HYBE vs NewJeans, it's jut SM won faster.

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We don't know "nothing." We just don't have enough new information to make discussing something that happened a decade ago more worthwhile. I thought maybe the other members would start speaking up after leaving SM, but they didn't. Their silence speaks volumes IMO.

The biggest example of internal sabotage in Kpop history is still T-ara. I've always hated snakes.

I said this many times, I'm 100% sure there's an NDA in their contracts, even if they leave they can't talk about this or any other thing that can cause problems for SM. Many agencies do this, not just in the music industry.

Also, even if people say something, I tend to ignore it, because I wasn't there, celebs and especially their agencies can say anything, we can't prove otherwise. It's basically like believe in Santa, almost.

In cases like this, it's hard to prove who did what and why. Unless they have footage, it's basically like telling a bedtime story.

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i never thought i would agree with something David say but i have to agree with this

plus this discussion is so boring cuz each side wants to consider the other side the ennemy when i actually think that both sides had their wrongdoings and we should accept that none of them are just white or black in this story

We had so many agreements in the past, and you forget it.

"Sabotage" might be more common than you think in kpop.

We don't know how much sabotage inside SNSD was done by the members and how much by the company.

And the Jessicagate is still a painful memory but they have all moved on, fans might as well do the same

I don't think anybody knows the full details of what actually happened for Sicagate. and it's a open discussion.

for the past 10 years there has been countless discussions and claimed insights that have been passed around the internet for everyone and anyone who wants to take interest in this topic. the discussions has been done, it's there for everyone to see.

people are going to make their own judgements based on the information they have discovered.

and if something new comes up, people will reevaluate or reaffirm their judgement based on the new info.

I don't think it needs to be an uncomfortable conversation at this point, it's been done for over the past 10 years already lol, it's more tiresome than anything else at this point.

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DO NOT get me started on the hate Taeyeon got for *checks notes* being in a happy and healthy relationship as opposed to the toxic ones she has written so many songs about.

THIS is THE prime example of clueless people who live in their imaginary world. Just because artists use their real life experiences doesn't mean everything happened to them.

This is why so many people can't imagine 2 actors doing a kiss or even an adult scene together and don't fall in love. Like, it's their job, and 100 people watching them while doing it.

Delulu level 9000. 😂