RE: “ Why couldn’t Pink Venom/Shut Down blow up in the US like Dynamite?”

  • AllKill VIP
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    Why couldn’t Pink Venom/Shut Down blow up in the US like Dynamite?
    Blackpink songs always do well but it never does well enough to chart top 5 Billboard 100 and be their US breakthrough. Why don’t Americans take Blackpink more seriously?
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    “Pink Venom” and “Shut Down” are rooted in hip hop. It’s extremely difficult for Asians to do hip hop in the U.S., especially today’s mainstream brand of hip hop, without being side-eyed.


    Conscious rap is a different story. If you’re lyrical, you’ll get your respect, but your music won’t go mainstream or get anywhere near the charts unless you’re J. Cole, Kendrick Lamar, or Eminem.


    “Dynamite” is a very family-friendly song that makes you feel good. It’s a lot more universally appealing than songs about flexing.

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    Why couldn’t Pink Venom/Shut Down blow up in the US like Dynamite?
    Blackpink songs always do well but it never does well enough to chart top 5 Billboard 100 and be their US breakthrough. Why don’t Americans take Blackpink more seriously?
    OP


    “Pink Venom” and “Shut Down” are rooted in hip hop. It’s extremely difficult for Asians to do hip hop in the U.S., especially today’s mainstream brand of hip hop, without being side-eyed.

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    Quote from superyeah
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    Why couldn’t Pink Venom/Shut Down blow up in the US like Dynamite?
    Blackpink songs always do well but it never does well enough to chart top 5 Billboard 100 and be their US breakthrough. Why don’t Americans take Blackpink more seriously?
    OP


    “Pink Venom” and “Shut Down” are rooted in hip hop. It’s extremely difficult for Asians to do hip hop in the U.S., especially today’s mainstream brand of hip hop, without being side-eyed.

    Even with the power of 2007 Kanye West it was hard to crossover

    (Don't worry, Teriyaki Boyz are doing fine, one of them started A Bathing Ape and is now the Creative Director at Kenzo)


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    Quote from jt3000

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    Linkin Park and Fort Minor got their respect, but their brand of hip hop was different. It was closer to conscious rap.


    I’m mostly referring to today’s mainstream hip hop that you’d hear on Top 40 radio stations. Mostly songs about flexing, being a boss, and all. It’s much harder to Asian artists to do that without being side-eyed and ridiculed.

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    Even with the power of 2007 Kanye West it was hard to crossover

    (Don't worry, Teriyaki Boyz are doing fine, one of them started A Bathing Ape and is now the Creative Director at Kenzo)


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    Yup. Say what you will about Kanye, but this is what I like about him. He’s always been open to trying new things and giving what’s obscure to the western world a chance even when it’s not as popular to do so. He also dabbled in K-pop long before many of these western celebs did.


    You must be referring to Nigo? He’s a legend. A few months ago, he dropped an album with features from A$AP Rocky, Kid Cudi, Pusha T, Pop Smoke, Lil Uzi Vert, and Tyler the Creator just to name a few. Loved it.

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    In general Asian entertainers aren’t respected over here but a hit rap song has very little to do with lyricism or even skill these days… The most streamed rapper now is post Malone and drake. If it’s catchy it’ll be a hit in the US. It’s harder for the OG rappers to hit it than it is for the “pop” rappers.


    If the song is viral anything can be a hit. Kek.

    Quote from superyeah

    Yup. Say what you will about Kanye, but this is what I like about him. He’s always been open to trying new things and giving what’s obscure to the western world a chance even when it’s not as popular to do so. He also dabbled in K-pop long before many of these western celebs did.


    You must be referring to Nigo? He’s a legend. A few months ago, he dropped an album with features from A$AP Rocky, Kid Cudi, Pusha T, Pop Smoke, Lil Uzi Vert, and Tyler the Creator just to name a few. Loved it.

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    Love Nigo in general, the album was such a fun, expensive project, I especially liked the Tyler song. He's in my Hall of Fame for Japanese creatives, maybe creatives overall

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    I don't get it. Why are we using genres and language as arguments when LGO, a Korean ballad went #1 at hot100.

    Is it that hard to accept that BTS is much more popular in the Western hemisphere?

    yes bts is much more popular than any other kpop act in west, but lgo went no.1 because bts fandom is hugee but did it have longevity as dynamite or butter? obviously not, so yeah it really depends on the song genre and the song itself

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