Since their PAK in 2018, they released 8 more singles to thisday, none of which could ever scrape Melon's NUMBER ONE position even with their self-proclaimed NATIONAL GIRLGROUP status.
"The Best Thing I Ever Did"
"Fancy"
"Feel Special"
"More & More"
"I Can't Stop Me"
"Cry for Me"
"Alcohol-Free"
"Scientist" PEAK: #32
Why?
The best thing I ever did? Forgettable
Fancy? Overrated
Feel special? Boring
More&More? C tier western singer reject and aged like milk even before being release.
I can't stop me? Lack identity, it sound like twice were trying to jump on the retro trend and also aged like milk.
Cry for me? Could have been higher if it was their English debut and actually promoted.
Alcohol free? Unlistenable because of the vocal and quite boring
Scientists? The most bland and boring song I ever heard, plus the Scientists concept in not very appealing in East Asia.
Their vocal or at least the vocal direction and processing in all their song made their songs sound worse.
They used up their alloted NGG powers too quickly lol.
sk doesn't care about twice anymore
They used up their alloted NGG powers too quickly lol.
It's even more ironic when you consider they released 4 singles yearly that all got #1 and the streak suddenly just disappeared. They can't even chart on top 10 anymore
When you find the answer to how Twice achieved #1- 9 times back to back?
And why other major GGs in 3rd gen could not achieve that?
You can add the above question to that list, as well.
Then why did the interest suddenly disappear and they tanked with not a slight redemption for 4 years? Were their 1s fraudulent? As a 'ngg' that apparently garnered so much interest, why did they fade away 3 years after debut? SNSD is still charting top 5 on their 15th anniversary
hearing onces rubbing their ngg status on blinks you would think they PAK it with every release ....
I guess not lol
onces always undermined bp even after square up outsold twice physical records and that was bp's first album. they suddenly got quiet after the album's physicals took their last record after twice tanked on all digital platforms.
Display MoreThe best thing I ever did? Forgettable
Fancy? Overrated
Feel special? Boring
More&More? C tier western singer reject and aged like milk even before being release.
I can't stop me? Lack identity, it sound like twice were trying to jump on the retro trend and also aged like milk.
Cry for me? Could have been higher if it was their English debut and actually promoted.
Alcohol free? Unlistenable because of the vocal and quite boring
Scientists? The most bland and boring song I ever heard, plus the Scientists concept in not very appealing in East Asia.
Their vocal or at least the vocal direction and processing in all their song made their songs sound worse.
And they are redoing their retro disco I can't stop me concept again after 2019 and the song's underperformance. Why not try something new and hop off this stale trend?
The girls just went out of favor. It happens, it's called Father Time.
But that's Korea's loss and their terrible taste.
More and More, Feel Special, and Alcohol Free were bops, deserving of #1 status. Scientist is literal SOTY quality and should be a national hit at this point and Cry For Me isnt too far behind.
I said add these to the questions, on why they had such great run for 3-4 years, and why others could not match that. - nobody can predict the success/decline of groups.
Why did it take 4 years for S.K to care about BTS?
That is the reality of the market. Happened to others too.
Happened to SNSD too, why did they decline after 2011-12?
As to their current success, nostalgia value.. their 2017 comeback did not do as well, because it was still close to their active period, and nostalgia had not set it. But after 5 years, it has.
Very common dynamic, will happen to any past loved group - but there must be good period of absence, for the hearts to miss the 'good old days'
But supposing SNSD continues as a group and releases keep coming every few months, we will see how they fair, the nostalgia factor will be lost.
The only 2 acts, who seem to have beaten these factors are IU and Bigbang.. maybe not even Bigbang, because Still Life did come after a long break.
Only IU so far, has never failed since 2010-Nagging. Even her most casual drops, unpromoted slow ballads, still hit #1 and rake in ULs.
Everyone else has a upward trajectory and downward trajectory - fluctuations inbetween.
Display MoreI said add these to the questions, on why they had such great run for 3-4 years, and why others could not match that. - nobody can predict the success/decline of groups.
Why did it take 4 years for S.K to care about BTS?
That is the reality of the market. Happened to others too.
Happened to SNSD too, why did they decline after 2011-12?
As to their current success, nostalgia value.. their 2017 comeback did not do as well, because it was still close to their active period, and nostalgia had not set it. But after 5 years, it has.
Very common dynamic, will happen to any past loved group - but there must be good period of absence, for the hearts to miss the 'good old days'
But supposing SNSD continues as a group and releases keep coming every few months, we will see how they fair, the nostalgia factor will be lost.
The only 2 acts, who seem to have beaten these factors are IU and Bigbang.. maybe not even Bigbang, because Still Life did come after a long break.
Only IU so far, has never failed since 2010-Nagging. Even her most casual drops, unpromoted slow ballads, still hit #1 and rake in ULs.
Everyone else has a upward trajectory and downward trajectory - fluctuations inbetween.
A monstrous decline never happened to SNSD once during their 15 year run and they were still able to score 1s and top 5s with every release of theirs. Twice decline and drops are far bigger to the point it seems like an anomaly, no other group had 9 straight ones only to fall off immediately after. Compared to snsd, Twice had just a three year successful run
A monstrous decline never happened to SNSD once during their 15 year run and they were still able to score 1s and top 5s with every release of theirs. Twice decline and drops are far bigger to the point it seems like an anomaly, no other group had 9 straight ones only to fall off immediately after. Compared to snsd, Twice had just a three year successful run
Well SNSD had no 9 straight #1s either. Sistar did and they too declined.
No two acts are comparable, different times, different contexts.
You don't seem to be looking for answers, but repeatedly pointing out that Twice declined.
And decline is only in the relative sense, they still are among the top 3 GGs.. and here's the latest update.
Gaon-Circle digital #1 is not the only parameter to judge a group
It's hilarious blinks using charts to downplay twice while a rookie is blocking you know a proclaimed GLOBAL group rn(melon doesn't matter excuse pops up) but if they use daesangs to compare, suddenly daesang ALSO doesn't matter LMAOO
meanwhile twice is the only 3rd gen to have a song end up #1 on YEAR ending charts(meaning an ACTUAL national hit) while the other 4 were 2nd ggs + gallup top 3-10 favorite singers for 3 years(2nd after iu).
The supposed biggest (national but not really) hit of their career ddd didn't land anywhere in 2018, and it took bp twice's decline to finally get to top 3.
BP are so successful, so why are you worried about twice who declined? Who cares about national titles when you have the world? You are THAT insecure that you are still thinking about it? At the end of the day, twice will have hits people remember and not just trendy empty "i'm a bad bitch" songs to satisfy their fans' low self esteem.
It's hilarious blinks using charts to downplay twice while a rookie is blocking you know a proclaimed GLOBAL group rn(melon doesn't matter excuse pops up) but if they use daesangs to compare, suddenly daesang ALSO doesn't matter LMAOO
meanwhile twice is the only 3rd gen to have a song end up #1 on YEAR ending charts(meaning an ACTUAL national hit) while the other 4 were 2nd ggs + gallup top 3-10 favorite singers for 3 years(2nd after iu).
The supposed biggest (national but not really) hit of their career ddd didn't land anywhere in 2018, and it took bp twice's decline to finally get to top 3.
BP are so successful, so why are you worried about twice who declined? Who cares about national titles when you have the world? You are THAT insecure that you are still thinking about it? At the end of the day, twice will have hits people remember and not just trendy empty "i'm a bad bitch" songs to satisfy their fans' low self esteem.
good luck to twice entering in the top 20 of melon
[DEBUT] TWICE “SCIENTIST” 03PM KST Update:
#2 Bugs
#70 Genie
Out of melon
wait....... twice is having a comeback?
even their fans don’t care
"Fancy" - should've reached imo
"Feel Special" - rap was unnecessary, otherwise deserved higher place than 9
"More & More" - again unnecessary rap, normal song, not no.1 category
"I Can't Stop Me" - should've reached imo
"Cry for Me" - not Korea's type of song, but it's good
"Alcohol-Free" - not hard hitting, but did normal
"Scientist" - bside material imo
Display More"Fancy" - should've reached imo
"Feel Special" - rap was unnecessary, otherwise deserved higher place than 9
"More & More" - again unnecessary rap, normal song, not no.1 category
"I Can't Stop Me" - should've reached imo
"Cry for Me" - not Korea's type of song, but it's good
"Alcohol-Free" - not hard hitting, but did normal
"Scientist" - bside material imo
wait....
so your saying they had 7 songs in a row that weren't a hit? ...... and onces are still raving on about them still been top tier and NGG? ummmmm ok.... well that's weird
Also in recent years their encores have basically ruined their image as singers. Like would anyone outside fans be really interested in a group which is known to bad singing? The only way to gain momentum from here would be to have a good song so everyone forgets about live singing but even that hasn’t helped Twice (ICSM, AF were decent sounding but obviously didn’t do that well).
Also in recent years their encores have basically ruined their image as singers. Like would anyone outside fans be really interested in a group which is known to bad singing? The only way to gain momentum from here would be to have a good song so everyone forgets about live singing but even that hasn’t helped Twice (ICSM, AF were decent sounding but obviously didn’t do that well).
They were never good singers
they have 9 (nine) #1 hits before fancy and it's in span of 2015-2018. do you think that's bad? heck any gg wishes to have that. They matured and kinda changed concept and style, after fancy Korea didn't take their image that well, but imo after fancy their songs are the best, bubblegum pop isn't my thing and I'm not even a once lol
they have 9 (nine) #1 hits before fancy and it's in span of 2015-2018. do you think that's bad? heck any gg wishes to have that. They matured and kinda changed concept and style, after fancy Korea didn't take their image that well, but imo after fancy their songs are the best, bubblegum pop isn't my thing and I'm not even a once lol
Isn't it bad if they followed up such a high with 9 declining songs and drops immediately after without any scandals to explain their decreasing popularity
Pathetic thread, focusing on how hard they have fallen, than how great they rose.
Go find another GG which has 9 #1s in 3rd gen or after. Even SNSD does not have that.. not even BTS.
Only 2NE1 and SISTAR do and only IU/Bigbang have better.
And sure they have declined.. but it is not as though they imploded and went out of existence..
The songs mentioned on this thread on Circle
"Fancy" hit #3"Feel Special" - #9
"More & More" - #4
"I Can't Stop Me" - #8 "Alcohol-Free" -#6
"Scientist" - #32
"Cry for Me" - #164
"Cry for me" is the massive flop for a top GG - they have given explanations, unfinished song rushed for MAMA performance, I don't recollect it having an MV.. etc.
Nevertheless, morons must be abusive parents who will punish their children if they don't score 100% each time. Otherwise which idiots would consider 9 #1s and then mostly peaking within top #10, needs such nonsensical narratives.
Display MorePathetic thread, focusing on how hard they have fallen, than how great they rose.
Go find another GG which has 9 #1s in 3rd gen or after. Even SNSD does not have that.. not even BTS.
Only 2NE1 and SISTAR do and only IU/Bigbang have better.
And sure they have declined.. but it is not as though they imploded and went out of existence..
The songs mentioned on this thread on Circle
"Fancy" hit #3"Feel Special" - #9
"More & More" - #4
"I Can't Stop Me" - #8 "Alcohol-Free" -#6
"Scientist" - #32
"Cry for Me" - #164
"Cry for me" is the massive flop for a top GG - they have given explanations, unfinished song rushed for MAMA performance, I don't recollect it having an MV.. etc.
Nevertheless, morons must be abusive parents who will punish their children if they don't score 100% each time. Otherwise which idiots would consider 9 #1s and then mostly peaking within top #10, needs such nonsensical narratives.
SNSD has 8 Gaon #1s and that's without Gee and Genie which aren't included because they're before Gaon was introduced. So that's 10 #1s for them.
Isn't it bad if they followed up such a high with 9 declining songs and drops immediately after without any scandals to explain their decreasing popularity
I don't know all of their recent titles besides scientist debuted inside top10 on gaon, on 4, 6, 8, 9. so for a 5 year old group it is normal to decline a bit
Display MorePathetic thread, focusing on how hard they have fallen, than how great they rose.
Go find another GG which has 9 #1s in 3rd gen or after. Even SNSD does not have that.. not even BTS.
Only 2NE1 and SISTAR do and only IU/Bigbang have better.
And sure they have declined.. but it is not as though they imploded and went out of existence..
The songs mentioned on this thread on Circle
"Fancy" hit #3"Feel Special" - #9
"More & More" - #4
"I Can't Stop Me" - #8 "Alcohol-Free" -#6
"Scientist" - #32
"Cry for Me" - #164
"Cry for me" is the massive flop for a top GG - they have given explanations, unfinished song rushed for MAMA performance, I don't recollect it having an MV.. etc.
Nevertheless, morons must be abusive parents who will punish their children if they don't score 100% each time. Otherwise which idiots would consider 9 #1s and then mostly peaking within top #10, needs such nonsensical narratives.
All the groups mentioned have great longevity which shows they were respected and had interest. Twice's short peak compared to other groups reflects worse in the long run even if they had a higher peak than BTS according to you
For a real explanation, 2019 (Fancy and Feel Special) was an infamously bad year for kpop girl groups. Good on Twice for even releasing music and not postponing. Mind you, Fancy was still one if the best performing GG songs this year).
2020 (More and More and ICSM) had the beginning of Corona happening. Also the song was a more mellow vibe than what many ppl were used to from Twice. I think everyone thought they would go cute bright concept again after Feel Special but they double downed on really trying to create a new image for themselves. Also Twice THRIVES with a live audience and all the chants. Their dances are made for ppl to copy and have fun to. That Corona lock down really affected Twice's chart performance. Not hearing those Fan chants and seeing ppl perform songs on the street really didn't do More and More and ICSM any favors. Also, of course that stupid encore of M&M that ppl couldn't wait to jump on for the drama of it all. Corny.
In 2021 (AF, the Feels and The Scientifist) still had Corona lock down issues. Which again, really hurts a group like Twice whose music is meant for the PEOPLE. Even still, AF still did pretty well and I believe helped erase some of the bad taste M&M encores left for some people (As seen by many ppl loving and appreciating the lives for AF), The Feels did what it had to do internationally and the Scientist was an obvious place holder for the end of the year so they could perform some new music for the tour. It was never meant to smash. I don't think it was meant to flop also but it is what is. I still like Scientist.
I think ppl are crazy to think Twice can't or won't pull out another hit. If anything, I feel like the Scientist performance gave Twice some extra incentive to kill it this comeback. I know the video later today is gonna have the boppiest of bops.
Display MoreFor a real explanation, 2019 (Fancy and Feel Special) was an infamously bad year for kpop girl groups. Good on Twice for even releasing music and not postponing. Mind you, Fancy was still one if the best performing GG songs this year).
2020 (More and More and ICSM) had the beginning of Corona happening. Also the song was a more mellow vibe than what many ppl were used to from Twice. I think everyone thought they would go cute bright concept again after Feel Special but they double downed on really trying to create a new image for themselves. Also Twice THRIVES with a live audience and all the chants. Their dances are made for ppl to copy and have fun to. That Corona lock down really affected Twice's chart performance. Not hearing those Fan chants and seeing ppl perform songs on the street really didn't do More and More and ICSM any favors. Also, of course that stupid encore of M&M that ppl couldn't wait to jump on for the drama of it all. Corny.
In 2021 (AF, the Feels and The Scientifist) still had Corona lock down issues. Which again, really hurts a group like Twice whose music is meant for the PEOPLE. Even still, AF still did pretty well and I believe helped erase some of the bad taste M&M encores left for some people (As seen by many ppl loving and appreciating the lives for AF), The Feels did what it had to do internationally and the Scientist was an obvious place holder for the end of the year so they could perform some new music for the tour. It was never meant to smash. I don't think it was meant to flop also but it is what is. I still like Scientist.
I think ppl are crazy to think Twice can't or won't pull out another hit. If anything, I feel like the Scientist performance gave Twice some extra incentive to kill it this comeback. I know the video later today is gonna have the boppiest of bops.
In 2019 RV and BP also underperformed compared to their 2018 releases, but they still had smashes after like in 2020/1/2. Timing was definitely not the only factor affecting twice but you also seem to think so
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