Ngl I keep seeing this all over the kpop fandom, that a song/album that hasn't won any awards should not be considered "quality" or good.
Or that any songs/albums that haven't gained any critical acclaims aren't considered quality or good?
What I'm also questioning is that should fans rely on "professional" opinions on whether they should like and listen to a song or not?
In the end, it is up to personal taste, is it not? Or am I missing something here?
also to tip it off,
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Doesn't kma do it already?
Doesn't kma do it already?
So are you saying that songs/albums not nominated by KMAs or haven't won KMAs are not good songs?
personal taste obviously
but its always nice to see my faves getting acknowledged especially knowing how much critics look down on kpop
if the film isn't nominated in Oscar doesn't mean it doesn't have quality
same goes for music
if the film isn't nominated in Oscar doesn't mean it doesn't have quality
same goes for music
I see 
In the end it's all up to personal taste. A song that some professional likes or approves of doesn't mean that other people will think the same. And that's absolutely alright.
if someone drags SKZ saying they make "noise music" we need critic's acclaim to slap those bitches bestie
Idk, but most of the time kpop fans use those awards as a desperate attempt to hype up their own faves, to start an endless petty drama, etc.
Just because a certain album didn't win an award it doesn't automatically mean it's bad. Professionals also have their own personal taste and I don't believe in "unbiased" decisions.
Quality is completely subjective. Any song that one considers good could be absolutely horrible to another person. The Grammys does this exact same thing, but I don't think anyone considers Yummy to be a quality song(then again taste is subjective lmao).
At the end of the day it's all up to personal taste I guess. But it's nice to see that your song or album is at least being acknowledged.
So are you saying that songs/albums not nominated by KMAs or haven't won KMAs are not good songs?
No, I misunderstood the question 
I thought you are saying that award shows should be based on quality.
Anyways, what I meant was that different award shows have different criterias. Some are based on quantity and some on quality and some on both. Kma is based on "quality" hence if they want "quality", they can refer to kma winners and nominees.
Music is subjective and different people have different tastes so I don't believe that there's something called "quality" when it comes to music (except the technical stuffs) and it's all just based on opinions.
It depends on how you elevate the professional opinions. If you think the professonal opinions are wrong, then it comes down to your personal taste. If you trust what a critic says about an album/song, you can be easily brainwashed.
For example:
"The music critic here says that this album is bad so I probably shouldn't listen to it."
"This song didn't win any awards, so it's bad."
But what if you would actually like the song if you didn't elevate the critics opinion? What if you could've had your new favorite song?
Take The Weeknd for instance, he hasn't been nominated for A SINGLE grammy for this year. Yet, me and many other people love his songs and he did a great job at the super bowl.
The bottom line is:
It's best to be on your own when listening to music because award shows are trash nowadays and critics are only there to influence us possibly for the worst.
Quality is completely subjective. Any song that one considers good could be absolutely horrible to another person. The Grammys does this exact same thing, but I don't think anyone considers Yummy to be a quality song(then again taste is subjective lmao).
At the end of the day it's all up to personal taste I guess. But it's nice to see that your song or album is at least being acknowledged.
Apparently the grammys nominated Yummy by Justin Bieber but not anything by The Weeknd....
I know it's personal taste but who even likes Yummy? And we all know that The Weeknd is great. At least many people know.
It shouldn't be...I mean my faves should have won more Grammys but she didn't even though it's all quality.
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I find it weird when people use award shows like any award show to use it as a metric for quality when a lot of good albums don't get the recognition.
Lets be real a lot of people use award shows simply to boast about their faves (I do it too obviously DAY6 BEST BAND PERFORMANCE MAMA 2020 WOOO ZERO PROMOTION DID THAT YAY DAY6 COMEBACK APRIL 2021 ANTICIPATE) or to tear down other groups they don't like. And when people call them out for it they call them bitter/salty
Its basically like burger joints vs gourmet burger joints vs fine dining. Everyone has their own taste, most people like something that is bad for you and not particularly sophisticated sometimes and not everyone appreciated the experience of fine dining. But somehow most people understand its stupid to whine and complain about McDonalds not getting Michelin stars.
Seems like, some are pressed!!
Its basically like burger joints vs gourmet burger joints vs fine dining. Everyone has their own taste, most people like something that is bad for you and not particularly sophisticated sometimes and not everyone appreciated the experience of fine dining. But somehow most people understand its stupid to whine and complain about McDonalds not getting Michelin stars.
So what you're saying is that people should only listen to music that are approved by officials and deemed "good"?
Yes I understand there is music out there that are very damaging and inappropriate but there are many that are not yet do not win awards or get critical acclaims. Should those non-bad(damaging/inappropriate) songs deserve to be appreciated at least?
Seems like, some are pressed!!
huh? I am asking a genuine question here. If you are not here to give me a proper response, then do not comment at all.
So what you're saying is that people should only listen to music that are approved by officials and deemed "good"?
Yes I understand there is music out there that are very damaging and inappropriate but there are many that are not yet do not win awards or get critical acclaims. Should those non-bad(damaging/inappropriate) songs deserve to be appreciated at least?
No, its just that theres differences in quality and these differences can be subjective. But at the same time there are standards by which to judge (creativity etc) and professionals who are qualified to judge. Theres a whole spectrum between McDonalds and Noma, same for music and everyone has their place.
huh? I am asking a genuine question here. If you are not here to give me a proper response, then do not comment at all.
Seeing the replies here, it doesn't seem anyone is here to reply with logic.
It seems like ppl want to consult themselves.
Yes, the Songs/Albums nominated & won on the most prestigious award shows based on 100% on quality, determines the quality of songs. The songs which didn’t' won or nominated are not Qualityless but the songs which are of course are upper than those which are not in terms of quality. Music critics perspective weighs million times more than you. They spent decades on analyzing music when you are a mere listener. Knowing your worth is not that tough.
No matter, how essay, how many post fans whose fav didn't get nom make, truth is truth.
Yes, you have personal taste. You can hear whatever you want. None has come to poke you. But if Music Critics acclaimation & prestigeous award shows nom hurts you, why you need to bother yourself. They are not coming to you at your neck.
If you think hundreds of Music Critics having experience of decades jointly can't decide which songs/albums has the best of the best quality with an unbiased mindset, I think kpop stans need to go to school immediately.
Apparently the grammys nominated Yummy by Justin Bieber but not anything by The Weeknd....
I know it's personal taste but who even likes Yummy? And we all know that The Weeknd is great. At least many people know.
Honestly we all know that Grammys aren't shit and the same goes for Korean awards. Nothing is 100% objective, there's always something going on behind the scenes.
The Weeknd had like THE most critically acclaimed album/song of 2020 and still didn't get nominated for anything, so even if your awards are based off of "quality" you can still get snubbed.
That's why I stand by my opinion about how awards should be given out based on commercial performance. At least that's not subjective and there's an actual explanation as to why said artists won the award.
No, its just that theres differences in quality and these differences can be subjective. But at the same time there are standards by which to judge (creativity etc) and professionals who are qualified to judge. Theres a whole spectrum between McDonalds and Noma, same for music and everyone has their place.
Imo I really don't think music can be compared to music. There is definitely bad and good food. But you cannot compare McDonalds and Noma since they are in much different realms, serve different foods, and cater to different tastes. When comparing music quality you cannot compare a heavy metal song to a pop song, as they cater to different audiences and tastes. Just because a song doesn't win an award doesn't mean it's not good, or deemed "quality". And just because a restaurant is highly rated, doesn't always mean the food is "good". These are just my 2 cents on this.
Honestly we all know that Grammys aren't shit and the same goes for Korean awards. Nothing is 100% objective, there's always something going on behind the scenes.
The Weeknd had like the most critically acclaimed album/song of 2020 and still didn't get nominated for anything, so even if your awards are based off of "quality" you can still get snubbed.
That's why I stand by my opinion about how awards should be given out based on commercial performance. At least that's not subjective and there's an actual explanation as to why said artists won the award.
You think LEENALCHI and Jeongmilla bribed the KMAs? With what money?
You think LEENALCHI and Jeongmilla bribed the KMAs? With what money?
WHERE did I say that omg 
Where did I say that omg
"the same goes for Korean awards. Nothing is 100% objective, there's always something going on behind the scenes."
I am curious do you listen to the music you listen to because professionals praised it or because you like it?
This thread isn't addressing why songs/albums aren't getting recognition but rather than should people base their opinions on music quality just because a professional said it is good?
Its basically like burger joints vs gourmet burger joints vs fine dining. Everyone has their own taste, most people like something that is bad for you and not particularly sophisticated sometimes and not everyone appreciated the experience of fine dining. But somehow most people understand its stupid to whine and complain about McDonalds not getting Michelin stars.
This!
Display MoreSeeing the replies here, it doesn't seem anyone is here to reply with logic.
It seems like ppl want to consult themselves.
Yes, the Songs/Albums nominated & won on the most prestigious award shows based on 100% on quality, determines the quality of songs. The songs which didn’t' won or nominated are not Qualityless but the songs which are of course are upper than those which are not in terms of quality. Music critics perspective weighs million times more than you. They spent decades on analyzing music when you are a mere listener. Knowing your worth is not that tough.
No matter, how essay, how many post fans whose fav didn't get nom make, truth is truth.
Yes, you have personal taste. You can hear whatever you want. None has come to poke you. But if Music Critics acclaimation & prestigeous award shows nom hurts you, why you need to bother yourself. They are not coming to you at your neck.
If you think hundreds of Music Critics having experience of decades jointly can't decide which songs/albums has the best of the best quality with an unbiased mindset, I think kpop stans need to go to school immediately.
You here are the one claiming that people say that songs that get nominated are not "quality". I never said anything about them not being "quality". I am not one to judge music critics anyways.
I am just curious about whether people listen to music because it won awards and professionals say it's good or that it's really all based on personal preference.
I for one, truly think whether a song is "higher" in quality is up to one's preference, and not some professional. Because in the end we are the consumers and we are the ones listening to them. But you do you.
Display MoreNgl I keep seeing this all over the kpop fandom, that a song/album that hasn't won any awards should not be considered "quality" or good.
Or that any songs/albums that haven't gained any critical acclaims aren't considered quality or good?
What I'm also questioning is that should fans rely on "professional" opinions on whether they should like and listen to a song or not?
In the end, it is up to personal taste, is it not? Or am I missing something here?
also to tip it off,
DISCUSS
most people don't rely on professional opinions
they don't stop anyone from liking a song they already like and it doesn't make anyone like a song they hate
Song awards basically only take singles and title tracks into account anyway and there is more to music than that
I'm pretty sure people hate dynamite more after it won everything
it's an honour for the artist above all
for the listener it can feel validating of course and also curb some of the apologists in the fandom
Edit:
this is not to say that critical acclaim means nothing btw
I will give credit to those who can explain why a song or album is good and who have a deeper understanding of the material instead of just stating that something is good because they like it
Absolutely not. Song quality is subjective. Having a panel of judges doesn’t change anything. They’re still just humans like you and I. Their opinion is not superior. Fandoms just like to use this to push their “my faves have quality music bp they won a prestigious award and other groups should bow down to them” agenda
Now wtf is a bonk
Its basically like burger joints vs gourmet burger joints vs fine dining. Everyone has their own taste, most people like something that is bad for you and not particularly sophisticated sometimes and not everyone appreciated the experience of fine dining. But somehow most people understand its stupid to whine and complain about McDonalds not getting Michelin stars.
that was like very bad analogy
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