Most Kpop groups don’t do well on Spotify. Are you surprised?

    Quote from Smoked Mustard & Rosemary Rabbit (621)

    at 139th? Billie Eilish ranked 13th, debuted 2019 as mentioned above.


    For a supposed global group and biggest gg in the world as per some blinks, number 1 3 9 ain't high.

    Considering this is an ALL TIME list and many artists started way before bp it is very high for their amount of songs yeah and will just keep climbing next comeback. You really thought bringing billie eilish up was a solid argument as if she's not a big outlier and has 10 times the industry push bp has gotten.

    No, because context is key here. Kpop is a genre, like Latin pop, r&b, country or hip hop. It will always have a smaller subsection of listeners and occasionally have a crossover hit. This doesn’t mean groups aren’t successful or no was is listening - there are people who top the country charts, sell out tours and barely make a dent in the mainstream pop charts. The same with other genres.


    Groups like Mana (Latin pop/rock) have sold 40 million albums, won Grammy awards, have sold out tours and are still in the 300s on Spotify. So is the legendary Dr Dre and more current artists like Lizzo or Anderson Paak.


    #237 Twice

    Behind Lil Pump, near popular country singer Morgan Wallen and Chance the Rapper.


    #450 EXO

    #461 Stray Kids

    Ahead of Grupo Firme (huge in Latin pop), around Eric Church (trendy popular country singer), behind Juanes (huge in Latin pop), ASAP Ferg and Chris Stapleton (trendy popular country singer.) just for context, Lil Yachty and Charli CCX are in the 400s.


    #553 Red Velvet

    Ahead of Carrie Underwood (huge country stars) and Keith Urban, slightly behind George Strait (legendary country star)


    #576 Seventeen

    Behind regional Mexican music star La Fantasia, slightly ahead or Boo’d Up R&B singer Ella Mai.


    #689 TXT

    Behind slightly older R&B and 00s rock like Owl City, Snow Patrol and Vampire Weekend and popular country acts Lady A and Kacey Musgraved.


    #836 NCT 127

    Ahead of Silk Sonic, slightly behind Mary J Blige and Giveon (ie r&b singers)


    #933 GIDLE

    #964 Itzy

    Are primarily near a lot of older 90s rock or one hit wonders like Goyte, some mid-tier country singers

    Quote from Smoked Mustard & Rosemary Rabbit (621)

    at 139th? Billie Eilish ranked 13th, debuted 2019 as mentioned above.


    For a supposed global group and biggest gg in the world as per some blinks, number 1 3 9 ain't high.

    they’re at the same tier as Justin Timberlake, Frank Ocean, DJ Khalid, Jay-Z, Britney Spears, Fleetwood Mac and higher than massive acts like U2 and Mariah Carey.


    For perspective, hot artists like Lil Nas X are at 90 and Olivia Rodigo is at #100.


    So yeah, they’re killing it.

    It’s the racism and xenophobia showing when y’all want to belittle kpop groups for having lower streams than English speaking (and majorly white) artists who literally come from the biggest music market in the world

    Quote from DooDoo Glazed Pork Chops (960)

    And yet BTS is 10th. Olivia Rodrigo debuted last year and she is in 100th place. Billie Eilish debuted in 2019 and she's 13th. Kpop fails because it's kpop.

    Billie literally been here since 2015, did y’all forget ocean eyes? She was already well


    How are y’all gonna belittle the same industry your a fan of?

    Quote from Pressure-Cooked Salted Pigeon (209)

    It’s the racism and xenophobia showing when y’all want to belittle kpop groups for having lower streams than English speaking (and majorly white) artists who literally come from the biggest music market in the world

    Oh it's the racism card user. The top 20 artists are a pretty equal mix of white, latino, black artists, with one Asian group (BTS, surprise bitch). GTFO out of here always trying to make things about race. Kpop is whack, no amount of creative justification will change that.

    Quote from DooDoo Glazed Pork Chops (960)

    Oh it's the racism card user. The top 20 artists are a pretty equal mix of white, latino, black artists, with one Asian group (BTS, surprise bitch). GTFO out of here always trying to make things about race. Kpop is whack, no amount of creative justification will change that.

    Kpop still under racism in the music industry, people have a higher hate for them and are more likely to avoid hearing asian music because of the different language, you would have to be stupid to deny that, but looking like you were the one trashing kpop earlier, its clear that you are stupid

    Very good post, thank you.


    Saves me looking up the other kpop groups that rank in the Top 1000 :p


    I also like the explanation, it makes sense: of course people shouldnt expect a niche genre to do as well as mainstream American acts.

    I think the mass streaming culture of kpop fandoms make the comparison wrong immediately

    Quote from Oven-Baked Nuts & Mammoth (553)

    I also like the explanation, it makes sense: of course people shouldnt expect a niche genre to do as well as mainstream American acts.

    this just shows how inflated Kpop sales are


    sure, the music industry has shown racist tendencies (certainly towards bts) & kpop is still a niche genre, but the fact that so many kpop groups - and each year more and more join - are in the top when talking about album sales (surpassing the current A listers), but they are NOWHERE near these A listers when talking about streams?? it's all just tacky. these inflated sales give a completely distorted image of how big these groups actually are.

    Quote from Lemon Lime Orange Chew (378)

    this just shows how inflated Kpop sales are


    sure, the music industry has shown racist tendencies (certainly towards bts) & kpop is still a niche genre, but the fact that so many kpop groups - and each year more and more join - are in the top when talking about album sales (surpassing the current A listers), but they are NOWHERE near these A listers when talking about streams?? it's all just tacky. these inflated sales give a completely distorted image of how big these groups actually are.

    Think about it, before you got into kpop, were u even aware of all these tactics? like bulk buying, and zombie streaming? I still remember when views was an actual real metric of engagement. Kpop has always been this way though, apparently the whole idea of competition was promoted by the companies and the fans found ways to boost their faves via underhanded means. At this point, the only real metric is concert capacity. Perhaps revenue, that's an interesting thing actually, they talk about revenue for concerts, but if you notice, they never mention YTD revenue by artists. You'd probably be shocked at the totals.

    Quote from 숨 참고 Love Dive (765)

    At this point, the only real metric is concert capacity. Perhaps revenue, that's an interesting thing actually, they talk about revenue for concerts, but if you notice, they never mention YTD revenue by artists. You'd probably be shocked at the totals.

    pretty much

    also, i like looking if an acts numbers over all platforms (yt, spotify, album sales, charting, concert capacity,...) match. if they all match, it will be a pretty objective measurement of the popularity level of that act imo.

    Life goes so much smoother when you listen to niche artists without caring about views and streams

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