no training for 10 years just to debut in a flop group that sells 500 copies each comeback
I think I've lost the current plotline of this topic
I know Babymonster will probably knock out someone in the 4th gen (or we just have to expand it to a Big 6) and FiftyFifty is a wild card, but these are the current top girl groups of the 4th generation.
Which group of queens do you prefer?
PSA: Please don't lump all the male fans in here with the ones trying to legitimize and validate being attracted to minors. Thanks.
I'm not gonna tolerate this disrespect for Hypnosis and Next Page 
Mamamoo aren’t minors so I can kinda understand
That's moving the goalposts though. People have now broadened the conversation to it being creepy to want to see any idols who are much younger than you.
We had literal grandma/grandpa MooMoos at our VIP events and concerts, and everyone thought it was awesome that people of different ages and genders were there to see Mamamoo.
At the concert, where I had very good floor seats, I sat next to someone twice my age, and he was a huge fan of Mamamoo. He wouldn't stop talking about how much they impressed him.
Shockingly, I didn't tell security that he needs to be removed from the venue for being a potential predator 
Unless you're Eunchae's fan, it is different. I never said that she's not a minor because she's in a group with adults, it's just that since the group is mostly adults it's not weird for an adult to like them. But if there're adults rolling up to Le Sserafim's fan meet holding Eunchae fancards, they're suspicious as well. And yeah, while it sucks that young adults are creeped on by significantly older people, it's not pedos at that point. It's not illegal, but it is morally questionable. It would be nice if idols could be protected from creeps, but it's harder to weed them out once the idol has reached the age of majority.
There's this boyband of 10-13 year olds that I listen to occasionally, but I would in no way become their fan because that would be disgusting. I can appreciate their adorable lil' songs (they remind me of my younger brother), but to engage beyond streaming their music would be absolutely weird because I am significantly older than them. If I (one who is old enough to be among the oldest in NJ) were to go to a fan event for this group it would be hella gross. What would anyone my age want with a bunch of little kids? So how is it any different with NewJeans? Why would you think it's not weird for adults to go to a fan event for underage girls? Genuinely, I cannot comprehend why an adult would be interested in NJ beyond the music unless they're a perv.
I can't repeat this enough. It's a fan meeting. What do you think happens outside of seeing the idols in person, waving and watching them perform your favorite songs? Loving a group's music is literally enough reason on its own to warrant wanting to meet them in person. What's hard to comprehend there?
If you think an older person can only be a fan of a group with young idols because they're a pervert or that other p word you used, which is absolutely out of pocket, I really have nothing else to say. There's no point.
And if an older fan saying hi to an idol for 5-10 seconds absolutely disgusts you, then I don't know how you survive in the real world honestly. You must be in a permanent state of disgust.
I saw more than a couple grandpa/grandma fans, not even just uncle/aunt fans, at the Mamamoo concerts I went to.
See below.
Strange how nobody cared these two were significantly older than Mamamoo.
You can treat older fans just like any other fan and enjoy the fun vibes together. If any fan is out of line, regardless of age, they are handled swiftly and accordingly.
Or you can try to be a mind reader and predetermine any older fan of younger idols is a malicious predator. But this is real life, not the Internet. Trying to gatekeep in person doesn't work so well.
Not bad for a song that technically never hit #1 on Melon since it was blocked by their other songs
You can see how impressed I was by Hype Boy's longevity in a thread I made back in October:
And seven months later, after two more hit songs, one of which set a record for the most PAK hours all-time, Hype Boy is once again the highest charting NewJeans song 
It's already safe to call it one of the biggest hit songs ever. Can it last for 11 more weeks to reach 52 weeks total? Will their new songs be a tailwind that lifts it up the charts or a wall that blocks it from the ultimate prize? Stay tuned.
I still don't think attending fansigns is a big deal *shrug*
If ANYBODY tried something creepy at a K-Pop fansign, they would be taken out almost instantly. Hell, when I saw Mamamoo in NYC just a week ago, fans were getting manhandled by the venue staff just for breathing in the general direction of Mamamoo during the VIP event.
I lost track of how many times someone yelled "KEEP IT MOVING" at me, when I hadn't even stopped moving yet.
Fanmeetings/fansigns happen literally all the time in K-Pop, and you very, very rarely hear of any incidents. And when an incident does happen, it makes news instantly, like that situation with the NMIXX member.
Any job where you interact with the public has inherent risks, because humans can be the most dangerous creatures on the planet, but fansigns/fanmeetings in general are very low risk for K-Pop idols.
Anything more intimate than that is where it would get really weird. For example, one of my friends was able to do a video call with the members of Mamamoo after bulk buying dozens of albums. I would not be comfortable with an older fan doing video calls with minor idols, as that would be crossing the line for me.
But going to concerts? Attending fanmeetings and fansigns? Not a big deal to me.
Nah I was just lucky enough to be on a 4 week Holiday in Seoul. I'd booked it months before any of them announced their concerts, and magically, with amazing luck, 3 out of my 4 bias groups all announced concerts for the same time that I was there anyway.
Although Blackpinks was technically 3 days before I was due to arrive, so I did have to change a few things around
Wow, a whole month in Seoul? I've been twice and only did a week both times. I need to go big or stay home next time 
But I probably would only go for Mamamoo, if I went specifically for K-Pop.
You can find disgusting acts from any group of people if you search long enough. K-Pop fans. Sports fans. Gaming fans. If you judge all fans based on the absolute worst behavior these people exhibited, all events would be held in empty arenas and we'd only have virtual concerts.
I'd never go to another live basketball game, if I assumed all sports fans were going to punch or stab me (things that have happened).
EDIT: I should clarify that I personally have not been punched or stabbed LOL. But sports fans have done this. Don't even get me started on what craziness soccer fans get into.
BlackPink - Concert in Seoul last year and will again in less than month in Sydney
Dreamcatcher - Concert in Seoul last year and also when they made a suprise appearance at the Dreamcatcher pop up cafe in Seoul and Yoohyeon looked directly at ME (pic related)
Rolling Quartz - Live show last year in Seoul. Was SUPER close to the stage and managed to get Arem's guitar pick that she throw into the crowd.
Do you live in Seoul?
I went to a Mamamoo concert in Seoul back in 2017, but that's it. I'm considering going to a Seoul concert again next month
I'm convinced most of the people going hard on the "fanmeets are exploitative events to expose minors to predators" narrative have never actually been to one.
Let me illustrate in video form exactly what I described earlier
This has literally everything I highlighted. Security all over. The idols are even behind a protective shield. No touching allowed. And the Chef's Kiss is the fan engagement staple--security demanding people to keep moving after they stop to wave for a split second.
MOST fan meetings are closer to this. I really don't think you should care if older fans queue up to say hi to an idol for 2 seconds, nor is an older fan automatically a predator if they choose to do so.
I...don't get why male fans are being treated like the cancer that's killing K-Pop, when one word can really upend the narrative being force fed in this thread:
Saesang
Unless the most toxic and dangerous "fans" in the Milky Way are also comprised of mostly older males.
Taking all the issues with underage idols and solely attributing them to male fans ain't it.
That's a completely different situation.
It literally isn't. An underage idol doesn't suddenly stop being a minor simply because older idols are in their group. That is such a slippery slope, and if anything, it could even be maliciously used by actual creeps to justify their actions.
While we're doing this exercise in logic, do the idols suddenly no longer warrant protection the moment they turn 18? Suddenly it's not a big deal if they have to deal with a creepy pervert?
You see, this is the problem when you create these arbitrary "rules" for gatekeeping who gets to stan what idols and then try to make it a one size fits all proposition.
As I've said before, there's a difference between liking the music and going to a fan meet.
Sounds like more arbitrary gatekeeping to me. You can be a fan, but you're not allowed to go to a fan event.
Like someone said earlier, these are statements made by people who spend way too much time on the Internet. That isn't how the real world works. Ever.
If someone really likes a group's music, they will become a fan. If that group has an event for their fans, that person will go, and they won't give a damn what other people think.
It's a fanmeet not dinner and a movie. Like, what do people think actually happens at these fanmeets?
I've been to every fanmeet Mamamoo has ever had in the states, and some abroad. You get an album or poster signed if you're lucky, say a sentence or two and wave, and then get ushered back to your designated spot, with security guiding you the whole time. This isn't the high risk event people are making it out to be.
Hardly something that warrants these "we must protect the children!!!" reactive takes.
