Probably BSH and MHJ.
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making assumations abt ppl is not cool, i never said i wanted these girls to be victims, they deserve a good place to thrive and become a superpower, i never said that they were groomed, the only good thing abt mhj is how she is able to treat nj like human beings unlike hybe and her amazing gifted talent for concepts and music. i never said something bad was happening to these girls, hybe would do something like that,
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Hopefully tikkitokki channel would post eng subbed version of whole livestream
they made partial translations on x.
It's always interesting hearing NTP mind navigating the world. She has idealistic view toward her job but at the same time still being realistic about the industry. She put creativity at highest place but never underestimate the role of money and power to achieve it.
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And also her swearing are so fun to hear.
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I don't think this is correct. Jeff did released Billboard article with only one-side information. Tokkis who read the billboard article reached out to him through X and suggested to not just write from hybe source only. Jeff claimed he didn't know how to cantact mhj so the tokkis suggested to contact her IG directly. Only after that he contacted MHJ, but not before the article. There was no follow up article from him after that. I remember read in x he made some statement to keep the 1st article as it is. The revealed chats were after mhj interview released.
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Say in who is managing them? As in their manager? Sure. Say in who is the CEO of their company? No.
CEOs aren't managers. They are executives who work towards the mid- to long-term stability of the company itself. Idols are interested in the long-term stability of the group and towards themselves. These interests may overlap in some areas, but they aren't the same since group members can leave the company after a relatively short period of time, shorter than what a CEO needs to consider and much shorter than what a successful CEO stays on for. For this reason alone, it would be foolish to boot a CEO just because some workers have issues with them since those workers aren't guaranteed to even be long-term holders in the company, which is what you want investors to be.
Basically, NJ and the people who select the CEO, including MHJ herself, have different incentives, so there's no reason to give NJ that much influence over who the CEO is. Their manager? Yes. Producer even? Okay.
With that said, the CEO should still be responsive to the employees, but their should be an entire chain of people who should be responsive before the CEO.
mhj work in industry for 20 years. She has vision to create label where production and management are the same. One of the reason cause she found (while in SM) that authority often limit creativity. Her way was work.
She's not the one who do business like this.
Steve jobs and Apple did this too.
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Well, i know this. I know I'm better than any God, even your God. If i have the chance I would stop the rape of a child, without any super power. He does nothing, just watch.
That's not how God or most religion works.
Otherwise, MHJ should have been won by now.
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while hybe stans is trying hard to portray NJ targeting adult male fans, and saying mhj is creepy to see them as her own kids, korean gp and hyeyon prove that the problematic one are indeed the sick hybe stans...
NewJeans proves to be the nations daughters after netizens put in their vote on which idols they would want as their son or daughter
[instiz - hot] Are there any idols you would want as your daughter or son?
date: 26/09/2024
For me, NewJeans Minji and ENHYPEN Jungwon
I honestly feel like I wouldn't have to worry
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1. NewJeans...
2. NewJeans Hanni... Son will be NCT Mark Jeno
3. NewJeans Hyein, she looks like a baby but she actually is a baby. But I wish she was my daughter
4. Sakuya and Hanni
5. Mark and female idol Hanni
6. NewJeans Minji ㅋㅋ
7. Female idols NewJeans and Aespa Winter, male idol Seventeen Jeonghan
8. My son would be Mark and my daughter would be Hanni. Mark will probably eat whatever you give him and Hanni seems like she would eat well on her own.
9. NewJeans Danielle
10. If Minji was my daughter and Anton as my son, I wouldn't even need to eat food to feel full
11. NewJeans Haerin and NCT Wish Riku
12. Anyone who makes a lot of money...
13. For me Riize Sohee and NewJeans Hanni ㅠㅠㅠㅠ
14. I'm Hanni and Jungwonㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ I'll put them in my pocket and carry them around ㅜㅜ
15. Wonyoung and all of NewJeans...
16. I would be happy if anyone in NewJeans was my daughter
17. Haerin is so lovable
18. Wonyoung and Minji
19. Definitely Danielle ㅠㅠ If I have a daughter I will name her Dani
21. Hanni and Doyoung
22. Haerin and Sakuya
23. Me too! Minji and Jungwon
24. NewJeans Danielle and &Team Taki
25. Hanni and Sakuya
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love supporting a minor lover
You seems enjoy the idea these girls being victim so they can fit into your hate narrative toward mhj. You love to see them like they are target for your disturbing mind.
Are you sick or has mental something to keep pushing the agenda them being groomed? Or are you get satisfaction into thinking like that?
If All of this just to win argument, Get f t.h.e.r.a.p.h.y.
And don't cry to mods I was attacking you when you could not stop insinuating something horrible has happened to these girls.
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I can't get into her music because it's too basic... I don't speak Korean so ballads don't really reach me.
15 years in music but she never took risks.
And I don't think it will change
when she literally took risk in all of her well known hits. Through the night, knees, pallete, bbbibbi, lilac, celebrity, leon..... -
Guys, come to her concert once and you will understand why people said her music is so good. Record version didn't do justice to her. Holsi sound mediocre but when I heard it in concert, it is
.And korean uena said she's really good lyricist. Unfortunately non Korean could not capture it since we can only understand translation. Imagine her like Taylor swift. She has good story telling in all her songs.
I like that she doesn't stick to one genre and always push herself into something new. I want to see her experiment with all kind of music, and let her be artist.
Also,for holsi, she didnt used back up singer and recorded herself into 3 different key. It's so interesting listening the making of all her songs.
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Just focusing on NJ's album/fanmeeting/tour. How can anyone believe Hybe's arguments?
Their people have been on the board since May, so they had to be aware of the upcoming plans of the group. Hell the album and the tour was even announced back in April of course they knew. They still planned to get rid of MHJ regardless, they did it when they were probably in the middle of these preparations, and with their people already inside Ador for months.
They say MHJ was pushing it back... Then solve it? MHJ was kicked out almost a month ago already, yet their argument is that there were issues with the grass for the fanmeeting and no news about the album until MHJ dropped what we all could imagine already, there's no album this year.
But what are the solutions? They didn't even bother to say that they're working on producing them a new album, or that they're arranging other fanmeeting, even if it's a lie! It's like they've completely forgotten that they've to care about the group and try to get the fandom support. They're just focused on their legal battles, it's ridiculous. The fandom is literally suing them because of how they're acting towards NJ and they aren't doing anything to solve it, it's obvious that they're putting NJ on a hiatus if nothing changes right now, they know we know it and they don't give a fuck.
You can say whatever regarding the battle between MHJ and Hybe (even though at this point I think most people could open their eyes and realize that what Hybe is doing is worse, even if you don't like MHJ which is understandable), but the behaviour of Hybe towards NJ is completely unforgivable and we literally have all the proofs needed to see it, and no this is not because they've supported MHJ publicly, this comes since the beginning. I hope karma exists and all this blows up, hopefully soon.
Hybe always fast to spread mhj wrong doing. If hybe have proof that mhj not doing her work for almost a month, nobody will stop them tell media about it. Why tell public now after mhj spoken out ?
Same like the sexual harassment case. If mhj did interfere hybe during SH case back then, hybe surely used it in the court.
Everything coming from hybe mouth is shit.
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lol now hybe is trying to frame jeff benjamin as a liar too
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My eyes, my eyesss, my eyesss!!!
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Hello, this is Team Bernies
We ask for your understanding as we are forced to post statements several times due to Hybe's repeated irrational media play.
Team Bernies is a team of Bernies who are active in various fields such as law, media, finance, culture, and art. While living faithfully in their respective positions, they are actively responding to the current situation with a pure heart of cheering on New Jeans.
After the JoongAng Ilbo article about former CEO Min Hee-jin’s interview was published today, we received a tip from a JoongAng Ilbo Group official that Hybe PR CCO Park Tae-hee is making unreasonable demands to exclude Chairman Bang Si-hyuk’s name from the article and even to delete the article.
In addition, there are additional reports from several reporters that there was pressure and various interference from Hybe during the transfer process of reporter Jang Hyung-woo, who reported for the public interest. I would like to ask whether it is possible in 2024 that a public relations manager of a private company intervenes in the future personnel affairs of a reporter at another company based on journalistic ethics.
Currently, the content distributed by Newjeans, former CEO Min Hee-jin, and our Team Bernies is only being reported by a few media outlets, and many entertainment media outlets are only reporting on Hybe’s one-sided claims.
This is causing a serious imbalance in information.
Even after yesterday's revelation, **Hybe continues to exert unreasonable pressure on the media and demand corrections to articles, and is seriously slandering and distributing flyers, interfering with the transfer of jobs, invading private affairs, and even pressuring other companies against the whistleblower, reporter Jang Hyung-woo.
We strongly demand that these organized and unfair actions cease immediately.
Park Tae-hee, CCO (Chief Public Relations Officer), please stop spreading dirty rumors behind people’s backs and stop tiring out many people. If you are upright, please come out and publicly represent the company’s position and refute it with clear evidence and data. It is your own decision to ruin your reputation through PR, and please stop the lowly behavior of trying to ruin other people’s lives because your path is blocked.
Hybe must now realize that they cannot cover up the truth in any way.
Thank you.
This team is quite impressive.
very organised, very demure.
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Kinda feel bad for a guy.
But it's interesting that PR who sent the material to him is the new acquisition PR cpy.
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Hi,
Speaking of Western Media, my hometown paper is talking about it now and written by John Caramanica.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/0…c/newjeans-kpop-hybe.html
Sept. 25, 2024, 4:50 p.m. ET
A huge part of the success of NewJeans — the most creatively promising new K-pop act of the past two years — has been its music videos: stylistically sophisticated, vividly colorful, palpably joyful. Starting with music that deploys top-shelf songwriting buoyed by production savvy about global microtrends, the group developed a singular aesthetic to go with it, drawing equally from high fashion, lived-in nostalgia and contemporary cuteness.
So it was striking when, a couple of weeks ago, the group released a video performance unlike any that preceded it. In a live broadcast on a burner YouTube account, the group’s five members — Danielle, Haerin, Hanni, Hyein and Minji — spoke for almost 30 minutes about their dissatisfaction with their parent company, Hybe. They particularly focused on how it had de-emphasized the role of the group’s executive producer, Min Hee-jin, in their work.
Here was a group putting its external image and its internal leverage at risk to argue for their creative lives. It is an infrequent scenario at this level in K-pop, a genre and business in which careful choreography — of music, visuals and star behavior — is crucial to the power of the art.
This livestream, of course, was as art directed as any of the group’s technicolor music videos. The members dressed largely in black, speaking softly in an anonymous office. Out in the world, NewJeans is vibrant, dynamic and approachably fun; in this clip, which some fans speculated was secretly orchestrated by Min, the members were reduced to spiritless cogs, as if trapped and suffocated by the corporation itself. Image
Min Hee-jin, NewJeans’ executive producer, called a news conference in April to dispute accusations of corporate malfeasance by her employer, Hybe.Credit...Chung Sung-Jun/Getty ImagesFor almost as long as K-pop has been a global force, it has been an exemplar of the controversial virtues of top-down control. American pop labels essentially abandoned this mode more than a decade ago, following the boy band and Britney-Christina era. The influence of social media in creating bottom-up hits and stars has all but invalidated the label-knows-best mode of creation. But K-pop’s commitment to that ethic persists, and has made exactitude into an artistic virtue.
Nevertheless, human beings pulse beneath these constraints, and the NewJeans rebellion — one of the highest-profile K-pop labor disputes in recent years — feels like a true rupture. It turned a behind-the-scenes executive tug of war into a game of chicken. Hybe can effectively derail NewJeans’s career for stepping out of line, or the members of the group can effectively sacrifice themselves. In the video, NewJeans demanded that Min be reinstated — their mien is somber, but it’s not quite a plea. There is authority and resilience in their presentation, with its frequent mentions of their fans, known as Bunnies — a group that’s loyal to the stars, not the label.
K-pop idols rarely break character, even in unpolished settings. To the extent that Hybe (formerly Big Hit) is interested in transparency, it is only to showcase the intensity of the work its stars put in to appear perfect.
But the NewJeans conundrum makes this a curious and perhaps not totally fortuitous time for Hybe to loudly demonstrate its micromanaging methods. That’s the intent of “Pop Star Academy: Katseye,” a Netflix series about the making of an English-language global girl group that’s part behind-the-scenes documentary, part elimination competition. (The show, and the group, are part of a joint venture between Hybe and the American label Geffen.)
Directed with nervy patience by Nadia Hallgren, “Pop Star Academy” is far more in thrall to the labor being learned and performed than about the art it will be put in service of making.
The first batch of trainee competitors practice for over a year: dance classes, vocal lessons, style makeovers, media training. What the show renders explicit is the extent to which a pop star can be constructed from almost whole cloth — the star is the training regimen. Even the contestants with ample social media following and defined personalities before joining the competition are slowly broken and tamed.
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Netflix’s “Pop Star Academy" follows the making of the group Katseye. Credit...NetflixAt one point the Hybe chairman, Bang Si-hyuk — one of the most powerful figures in K-pop — decides to accelerate the group’s rollout, combining strategy and mischief: “When they wait too long to debut, they get frustrated and lose their spark, which shows in their eyes,” he says, speaking Korean, with a glint in his eye.
Critique is offered up like air — cheap and ubiquitous. “I didn’t believe it at all. It felt like nothing, honestly,” says one dance instructor; “Are you aware that you’re singing out of tune?” asks a mentor with clear exasperation. Competitors are derided for flat facial expressions, for failing to live up to K-pop beauty standards, for having private Instagram accounts. Those who chomp at the bit, or otherwise push back, are largely dismissed (except TikTok-popular Manon, whom the label contrives to make a part of the group despite her seeming lack of vigor for the idea). One of the more emotionally sophisticated contestants leaves the show once it shifts from training to competition, which the participants hadn’t been fully informed would happen.
On the one hand, it is bracing and refreshing to hear such plain appraisal. Pop stardom is astonishingly hard work, and the difference between the raw clay on display in the first episode and the polished final product at the show’s conclusion is more than striking, it’s valorizing.
The final group is scrupulously diverse, apart from height — those who were comparably short get cast aside. Last month, Katseye released its sturdy debut EP, “SIS (Soft Is Strong),” and unsurprisingly, the best and most popular song from it, “Touch,” is the most NewJeans-ish. The group is hawking it relentlessly on TikTok, where they perform its hand-gesture choreography with a variety of K-pop stars, and even Usher.
There is a glimpse of where all of this relentless work might lead in “Jung Kook: I Am Still,” a new documentary/performance supercut focusing on the youngest member of BTS, who last year became, in disorientingly short order, the most commercially successful K-pop solo star in American pop.
BTS is the ne plus ultra of Hybe plan — this film is one of several that has focused on the group or its members. It captures, sometimes just barely, the frantic eight-month stretch in which Jung Kook was thrust into solo stardom before enlisting in South Korea’s mandatory military service. Image
Jung Kook, of the group BTS, last year became the most successful K-pop solo star in America.Credit...Michael Loccisano/Getty ImagesThis is what all the hard work of being in BTS was for, ostensibly — a shot at extending his career beyond the very wide boundaries of the group’s accomplishments. Or put more plainly: more hard work.
To the extent that “Jung Kook: I Am Still” is a film at all — as opposed to a slapdash collection of casual moments, behind-the-scenes fan service clips and music and concert videos — it is a film about labor. Or more precisely, the inextricable relationship between labor and glamour.
Like “Pop Star Academy,” it is decidedly unromantic. Jung Kook is alternately enthused and depleted. Even his purported private moments are commoditized: At one point, he’s shown sleeping on a plane. He has a strikingly lithe and sweet voice that’s well-captured on his album “Golden,” a frothy debut that smoothly yanked Justin Timberlake’s comeback lane away from him.
But if Jung Kook is thrilled to be at the top of the charts, he does not show it. Instead, he doubts his vocal range and his natural dance instincts. If he celebrated his ample successes — including a No. 1 single and No. 2 album on U.S. charts — the cameras were not there. If he acted out or pushed back, we’ll never know.
Like many K-pop entertainment companies, Hybe is vertically integrated, and exerts a significant degree of control over its artists’ public presentation. It also builds the metanarratives that become fan manna.
But with success comes courage, or something like it. Not long after NewJeans posted the video about their label concerns, Jung Kook appeared to offer them a measure of support with a pair of cryptic koans: “Artists are not guilty” and “Don’t use them.” Sure, the words appeared on an Instagram account for his dog, but it was revealing — and perhaps indicative of table-turning to come — that they appeared anywhere at all.
Jon Caramanica is a pop music critic for The Times and the host of the “Popcast” podcast. He also writes the men's Critical Shopper column for Styles. He previously worked for Vibe magazine, and has written for the Village Voice, Spin, XXL and more. More about Jon Caramanica
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What the hell i was reading
?"He also writes the men's Critical Shopper column for Styles."
Okay, Now it explains a lot.
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"hybe tried to correct article that said 1m copy instead of 38k. It is proof that mhj did media play"
Japan : no, it's 100k.
"But hybe just tried to correct something that is not true.they are company of ethics. It's not to diminish nj achievement"
Hybe: so because it's 38k, it's considered flop. Yes, it was overall bad performance in Japan. Mhj was bad.and nj being gaslighted by her.
Japan: gave nj sales award.
"But...but...but.....gfriend reunite under soumu. So it must be because mhj leaving.hybe is always right all the time"
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It must be easy being hybe stans not to carry brain all the time.
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Im not really sure what that means. Mhj was hired by HYBE so technically she was a "hybe-installed" CEO no?
I dont know what is driving MHJ to be so keen on getting her CEO position back, and I could be wrong, but superficially it has always looked like MHJ being driven by ego and greed. And it continues to look that way.
Subsidiaries is not working like that. subsidiaries has their own management and financial handling. This kind of cpy business model allows parent cpy remain intact in case something happen to subsidiaries. CEO appointment in subsidiaries has nothing to do with parent company. It is pointed by board director of each subsidiaries. In ador case,since hybe holding the major share of ador, hybe also become board director of ador. So, technically, even if MHJ was appointed by Hybe to run ador in first place, Ador CEO is not hybe employee and Ador CEO is appointed by Ador board directors.
