Exactly this, when was the last time Metallica had a number 1 or The Boss? Yet both do massive tours, while say Miley with her very recent chart topper has struggled to sell out small venue even in the US in the past.
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Is it a girl group?
Ed Sheeran is not WBK but he just did a 360-degree 80K+ Metlife crowd. So that point is flawed. Even if he does all the playlisting/payola/heating in the world he can still back it up with tangible demand.
It's not a single group and this modern phenomenon isn't just 1 group or just a single company. I feel like recently a lot of groups are all of a sudden doubling, tripling sales even but tours, streams, views, engagements aren't moving almost at all.
Again it doesn't really matter what group it is, I'm sure we've all noticed a suspicious sales pattern recently and it's often explained as "well Kpop is bigger internationally now", a true statement, but wouldn't that also translate to all metric, especially touring?
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I don't. That's not a mystery or even up for debate. It's well known many artist from big labels are boosted from massive paid playlisting and radio deals. Combine this with cases like say Doja Cat or w/e where you can very easily drop an ear worm that people will happily stream, I mean most of us are already paying for a streaming service so that isn't costing us anything...that isn't the same as hearing on song you might like and spending 15 dollars on an album or even 80-150 on a concert ticket for that very same artist.
But in Kpop I'm not talking about a group that sells 1m albums and has big arena tours but not much commercial success. That makes sense. They are a fandom supported group and numbers back that up. I think that's sensible and adds up.
what I'm talking about is several groups are now selling 1+ million but much of their stats are staying the same and even going down and they are having trouble selling tickets for small venues, this even goes against the insinuation of you comment. Because yes sales are more important, but my quiz is why all of a sudden those same fans willing to spend hundreds on albums aren't willing to do so on concert tickets?
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Faves are safe.
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17? I don't recognize the light stick?
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why so scared of mentioning names
People will ignore the core point of irregular sales with the seeming absence of growth in other areas. even regression in some cases, and become defensive and turn the conversation into something it doesn't need to be.
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Like browsing TicketMaster I'm seeing groups selling a million of albums each comeback playing theaters and bingo halls and struggling to sell them out. I wont mention names but these groups are exploding in sales(even though theirs views, SNS interactions and streams aren't going up) and now tourings on the table they ain't even playing arena's...nevermind domes and stadiums.
What's up...I mean if fans are buying these albums why ain't they buying no concert tickets and leaving ya'll playing convention centers and tiny venues?
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Yeah and it varies also, I feel some Itzy and Twice MV's have had up to 40m ads on them and others 20-ish mil while some haven't had ads at all for things like b-sides, Japan songs and things like that.
Edit: Yeah i didn't know they did D1 ad's for Nmixx either. I really don't know anything about that groups though so I couldn't speak on them really.
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Taeyeon has had a large amount of PS through multiple times in her career.
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Everyone did care, it only died down when YT removed them from the data they submitted to official charts. The hate stopped mostly after that along with the growing irrelevance of YouTube.
Payola, auto play and inserted playlisting is different since it very much boosts charting and falsifies achievements.
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SM should start pumping their numbers like they do for RV.
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what's wrong with you? you weren't this toxic before what did jennie do to you? weren't you digusted when some users were coming for Jeongyeon's weight I saw you shading jennie for her acting in the idol too
if you don't like the fandom at least come for them not the idol they have nothing do with anything.
And it doesn't matter if the idol didn't do well in the big scheme of things it was a side project lol she was just trying it out but if anything it affected the weeknd jennie is Korean idol it doesn't matter.
I wasnt toxic before? Sorry but didn't me and you used to routinely trash Aespa and SM stans in private chats? Maybe you've just got used to being phoney outside of DMs lol.
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But it didn't. It charted for more days on Spotify(even tho it still did terrible) and it actually entered several daily charts in Korea. Jennie's song had 1 day on Spotify and didn't even enter the Melon top 1000 daily chart, not 100...1000. It didn't even enter Bugs. As poorly as Shoong(?) performed it was somehow leagues above Jennies last release.
Taeyang is also a relative nobody when held up against the biggest male artist of the last decade. The artist with the most listeners in the world right now. The flopage is on a whole level of its own.
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SNSD aren't even close to being the biggest. Maybe in Korea at one point but internationally Kpop was so so much smaller back than. Theyy simply aren't even close to the same level outside of Korea as groups like BP, Twice, etc and we'll see more groups in the future reach even bigger heights than them too like Newjeans, Ive, etc.
For K-pop it's BP. They had the 3rd or 4th biggest peak in Korea, do well enough in Japan, are the biggest in Latam and SEA and probably 2nd or 3rd biggest GG ever in China. They also do much better in Europe too.
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It'll rise in the morning.
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They're already broke.
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