Posts by Jeop

Quote from patrik-k

Hybe have every right do an audit of it's on their own company. All this "the company worked against NJ" is mostly extrem bullshit. And even if their is some truth in it, it takes a lot to claim they have done things so much wrong so they have breached a contract and also not easy to prove.

Hybe have done nothing wrong when it comes to NJ, it's just the fans that have some kind of weird fantasy they the evil company have done something wrong.

"HYBE did nothing wrong! Well, mostly! And it's probably not that bad anyway! And even if it's THAT bad there won't be proof of it anyway!"

- NOT a company stan! (You can believe him, totally! Well, mostly!)

- hybe admitted to wrong doing in the LV situation and had to pay for it (reimburse LVMH or smthg like that).

- hybe treat to pull Apple away from newjeans and that Apple told them to gtfo, it wouldn't take 3yrs to get some testimony from them.

- The judge, in the first injunction, felt comfortable putting to writing that HYBE had indeed not treated ador/NJ as well as other sublabels/groups.

- We know that hybe send the pre-debut videos and material to dispatch, because dispatch had to come out and admit it openly when hybe tried to imply thatthey had npothing to do with it and never gave dispatch permission to publish said material

And I don't need to write more becuase it's all that's needed to show that hybe/ador refuse to hold up part of their responsability to NJ, actively acted AGAINST NJ and that as such NJ should be able to end the exclusivity contracty without owing anything in damages.

At some point we need to aknowledge a simple truth, that a new breed of super-virus has taken root : the MHJ derangement syndrome, wich leads you to believe MHJ is simultanuously Moriarty-with-tits, capable of everything from brainwashing to suborning justice and manipulating whole ass political parties on her lonesome but also incapable of keeping her secret-evil-plots secure and also she is totally going to drop the ball at every opportunity so that the heroic billionaire-owned-conglomerate is going to win at the last second.

Quote from Tru-Multistan

Genuinely just seems like there is a 0% chance of their demands being met so why give another ultimatum at all? Any benefit to them?

As long as the demands are not excessive it will be used to show they were willing to act in good faith to maintain the contractual relationship and that the fault rests on ador.

That and to possibly skip steps in arbitration.

Quote from MochaCinnamon

NewJeans can discard their current discography in order to get away from HYBE, they can just release new songs. But the damage to HYBE's reputation along with the korean govt coming after them as well, will be hard to recover.

They don't even have to enturely disgard the discographhy, they can pull a taylor and re-record everything because they worked with outside talent that have since been burned by hybe.

Note that this is NJ giving ador a 2-weeks ultimatum, no legal action has started yet.

My bet is that MHJ just received news that the investigation in possible fuckery wrt ~hostile takeover~ was dropped for lack of material, so they give ador one last shot to roll back the situation to what it was and then lawsuit.

Quote from Tru-Multistan

Maybe "too general" was wrong to say. I just think the whole document thing seems weak but I'm pretty sure I said this last time it came up. I copy large business documents all the time and switch around some words, but that of course is within my own company. Not sure how the sub labels work.

I guess what I'm saying is it'd be shocking to me if proving they copied the document is enough to prove plagiarism and win this case or whatever. Maybe that is the case, but it's just surprising.

Theft of corporate work product.

Ador's plans were owned by ador and in some ways by MHJ (either through being the creative or because her shares in ador).

They acquired the docs without ador's permission and then clearly used them (see typo), again without ador's or mhj's consent.

This is bound to qualify, in some ways, as corporate spying, corporate theft, defrauding some of ador's sharholders, defrauding ador's employees or plagiarism, depending on korean law.

The transfer of funds from ador to hybe IM that was called out as fraudulous has been revised from 4 billions wons to 2.5.

In completely unrelated news the petition to strip hybe of its special statut and audit it again has reached 87%.

Quote from reverie1

It's intentional since the beginning. The fact that so many concepts/sounds of LSFM and Illit always have some "inspirations", but never enough for people to call out "plagarism" said it all. Eventually, their fandom will come to the "us against the world" narrative that everybody hates our idols, thus we have to protect them and shield them no matter what.

This is an important thing to keep in mind to understand what's happening with hybe's idols : there is indeed a concept of deliberately flirting with controversy to refine a fandom (I call it "the crucible").

I first heard of it when it for chinese social media stars/idols and to keep it short it amounts to inserting the subject in some low-stakes controversy (or creating it outright). The goal is to push casuals fans into taking a stance (even if they don't really act on it) about the controversy. Once the casual fan has taken a positive stance they become more invested in the subject, a more hardcore fan more likely to drop more money. And what casual fans lose interest were never going to become the backbone of the fandom anyway.

Low-key tracing every group under the sun for le sserafim fits perfectly in that strategy : juust enough to piss off some fandom, not enough to really lead to big loss.

I think thi smight be why Belift dragged Illit's name in the conversation about hanni/hybe and so on : nobody that would abandon them over their management being shitheads was still in the fandom (so you lose no one) and plenty fans became even more defensive of the girls.

Conspiracy theory times : when an agency that can do plenty of research somehow still lands their way into cultural faux-pas (cultural appropriation, flirting with nazi imagery, hair braids...), there is a decent chance it's part of that. Or so I believe.

Quote from Tru-Multistan

I think "these docs were never meant to go public so you can't blame Hybe" may be reddit's worst take yet.

Just a bit of "locker room talk", I guess?

Quote from butterbutterfly

Hanni needs to be made time's kpop person of the year

2 years in the industry and already in the pantheon of kpop, absolute legend!

Also I should add to my other post that companies have an interest in diversifying their assets and not having 1 group respresent 80% of the business, because then the power relationship switch.

So it is in HYBE's cynical interest to "slow down" BTS and get other groups up and running, thus their investments in sub-labels and their hopes for LSF. They wanted counterweights in case BTS decided to start using the influence their success gave them.

Edit : I think you can't ignore either possible intents, personal pride and business interests because in companies mostly owned by a single person (directly or indirectly) private and professional shit tend to get mixed-up.

Quote from Blossomin88

Sorry to say, but it’s actually strange how they seem to love and care about lsf more than Bts and its members, who are the biggest money-makers and the reason for that company’s existence. There’s no criticism, just praise all over the sections mentioning lsf. Everything about Nj in that report too is just focused on how they can benefit lsf only. Doesn’t anyone find that a bit odd?

You have to look at it through the lens of an absolute hannam. Some BTS members don't have a good relationship with fatman (V), others were doing their thing before being recruited by BigHit (RM and Suga at least I think) and could have done well on their own without him (solo or as a group). And in the end much of what they managed to achieve was thanks to the cult like support of BTS greatest asset, the ARMY.

So, deep inside his own shriveled heart and soul, BHS can't really tell himself that BTS' success is his own.

So he puts his efforts in LSF, until some roadblock hits (or yunjin drops perfect night and becomes a problem to BHS' ego) and then switch to Illit and/or Katseye.

It's like a narcissistc parent starting to resent their kids for becoming independant.

Quote from monalisalove

I think Hybe just doesn't understand how BP became the biggest gg internationally when they did almost 0 fan content like queer baiting ones that is still mainly "used" in kpop ..

Remember in 2017 (maybe even 2016) everyone and their mothers were convinced Jennie was a bitch queen and bullying Lisa on the regular and then we got pictures of Jennie hanging out with Lisa in Thailand during their first vacation. x)

YG actually went out of their way to steer clear of even the possibility of fanservice!

tfw hybe are jenlisa truthers

Quote from YamaChwan

I'll be editing the thread periodically to catch people up who don't want to read through 300+ replies.

WE ARE BACK BABY, new files have been dropped :

https://www.instiz.net/name_enter?nolisting=1&no=?no=94020129&stype=9&category=2&k=%5B%EC%A0%95%EB%B3%B4%2F%EC%86%8C%EC%8B%9D%5D

I haven't yet checked out what they actually say but it seems it's going to be fun (as in, more direct talk of starting hate campaigns and so on):

Quote from sveznalica

Western market definitely cares if you made fun of someone else, if hybe tried to mess with Taylor Swift, for example, backlash would have been even worse.

Imagine them bringing korean-isms to the west : "those girls are too dark skinned" "this one might be a feminist, we should start an incel hate train" instant death

Quote from HwaGoose

I have seen ATINY being called "ATUNA" lol

Yup, I'm a fish, just kidding.

Wait, ATINY is the ACTUAL fandom name and not the diss?

Edit : can't believe you missed out on calling yourselves the A-teamz smh

Quote from lidora

Most of that is not scandal worthy. I am a little confused at the bullying. Who did they bully? Did I miss something? I don't remember bullying accusations but I am not kpopping 24/7.

Garam was accused of having been a bully and overall a delinquant in school. It was later shown that while she hadn't been some perfect student the hate train was completely undeserved given that the "bullying incident" in wich she was named was actually her standing up for a friend who was a victim of molka (a female classmate had taken pictures in the changing rooms and was threatening to spread them iirc).

And my vote for most controversial goes to fifty/fifty and the successor group made from the three girls that got out.

Oncels might still be my favourite that I immediatly remember. That or blonks, which is both nonsensical and yet the meaning is perfectly conveyed.

Did you exclude Illit on purpose? I don't really believe so but the lack of mention is pretty funny.

(through I guess some of the hate is deliberatly started by their own company so v°v)