Posts by destinie-1132

Quote from Kouss

Korea is 99% korean, that’s the extent SK does demographics. Next highest would be asian foreigns (just guessing here), then we’d get into white/black foreigns.

The US is 5% asian and actually has a decent asian community. Meaning there is a REASON they should be in US media (tho they often aren’t). So a lot of fans see kpop as a way of increasing asians in US media where they have been historically ignored.

Now has non-koreans been ignored in Korean media? No, because there aren’t that many to ignore. It makes sense why there aren’t many because there isn’t really white/black communities in SK or atleast not at a noticeable level. You see a white/black person in SK, you 100% think they are foreign born.

In america, Asians are born here and have their own communities.

Basically asians being in US media isn’t much different than the current US system where is many races all together. But a random black girl in a kpop group where blacks make up probably less that .1% of koreans looks a bit FORCED.

Why is this foreigner trying to participate in this phenomenon that is giving asians a platform, when she could be in the US where blacks are OVER represented in the music industry and she’d probably have an easier time?

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Now has non-Koreans been ignored in Korean media? -- black ppl r perpetrated bad in Korea

dont say ''blacks''

how does it look "forced

the same reason all of the other foreigners wanted to join kpop, they liked singing/ rapping they saw it and liked it and wanted to be apart of it her earning a spot in kpop just like everyone else. its racism to not want her to be in kpop cause she isnt asian.''

Basically Asians being in US media isn’t much different than the current US system where is many races all together. But a random black girl in a kpop group where blacks make up probably less that .

1% of Koreans looks a bit FORCED.'' its hypocrite to want non Americans to make it into the american music industry but not want non Asians to make it in the Korean music industry. when u r talking about Asians u r talking about Asian AMERICANS not non american.

Quote from JaedaKim

Exactly "part of Korean culture" People still debate whether that means in the Korean language or by Korean people. They said "Korean pop" that doesn't say if it's kpop because it's in korean or kpop because it's done by koreans.

Korea isn't racist just because they don't feel the need to become America. America sucks, and Korea does have diversity but in small amounts. The people who come here, come here for work or tourism and Korea doesn't turn them away. If there isn't racial diversity here, it's because people don't want to live here or aren't willing to go through the process of becoming a citizen. But Korea isn't going to parade around saying "we love all races, welcome everyone, we want you" because Korea doesn't care about being 'woke' and they let things happen the way they will. They don't turn people down who want to come here, but they don't advertise it either, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. People don't come here from other countries, especially if they aren't Asian, to become citizens very often.

Korean language is apart of Korean culture...

i never said the were racist ''just because they don't feel the need to become America.'' i used ur logic. and i know about the last part, thats ot the point or the question.

i feel like if u want to get it because u want too not because someone else want u too then u should be able to do that.

Quote from JaedaKim

Why did you make the same thread 3 times

oops

Quote from GoldenNini

Has this really been happening to Black Swan? From what I have observed, the international fanbase has been pretty welcoming to the girls, including Fatou. Some even went to the lengths of saying she could be the next big kpop girl group idol rapper (which I do agree with. Her tone is perfect, as well as her stage presence). I could be 100% percent wrong, and if I am feel free to correct me! If people truly are treating black swan like this because of one of the members skin tone, then that’s completely not okay in any way, shape, or form.

yea some ppl r, but when the group was first announced they attacked her for being black in kpop u can find it on twitter.

Quote from Marsh26

as i stated before i am showing you the perspective of the media. yes we all agree that lana should be given a chance. but its not up to you or the people in this fourm. its up to the k-media and what they think.

it was a opinion question, i wanted to see ppl views on the topic and im replying with mine. what the problem.

Quote from NotOnceNorThrice

4 Asians who?

to want to be apart of the american music industry

Quote from JaedaKim

Of course it's racist if it's only because of their skin color but you can't change the way an entire country is. It's basically part of the culture to be 100% Korean, and it's actually not a problem if Korea doesn't feel the need to be racially diverse. People of other races and cultures come in all the time and it happens naturally. Korea doesn't tell them "no you can't come in because you aren't Asia". It's not systemic, it's cultural and you cannot change a culture, sorry but that isn't how it works.

Also it's a whole debate if KPOP is pop in Korean language or pop done by Korean people or both, Korean people doing pop in the Korean language.

As for them 'stealing black culture'..... let's not even get into that because I know you and I don't even understand the same world

yea i could tell when you said it's actually not a problem if Korea doesn't feel the need to be racially diverse, using ur logic Korea is racist.

and how is it their culture if their are Chinese, Japanese ect members???...

K-pop, short for Korean popular music; is a genre of music originating in South Korea as part of South Korean culture.

Quote from Marsh26

bruh. its because kpop is k o r e n p o p what do you not understand. the usa was a mixed country from the beginning. korea was not.

thats kinda the problem

Korean pop is music in Korean btw and if ¨pop is k o r e n p o p¨ y should lana be given a chance and if that the case then should black people be mad at Koreans for making a k-hipop and k-rnb and stealing black culture u do know that kpop literally steals black culture rigt???...

its racist to not want someone to be in kpop ONLY because of their race, connect the dots, get off my thread. respectfully

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Why is North American cultural expectations being applied to a country which is outside of North America? Is North America the global standard?

im not necessary setting a standard im just asking y non Asian r be attacked when Asians r doing the same???... its hypocrisy, and discrimination, segregation which r all forms of racism.

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Watching this thread, pls refrain from making accusatory statements about each other and feel free to report comments as an alternative to arguing.

im giving my opinion, and was speaking in general.

Quote from JaedaKim

I've still seen people attacking her for being white but ok

And I never said those statistics were for white people, they were the general stats

I already said I support non Asians in kpop so I don't know why you are calling me racist again

i was talking about in general i wasn't calling u racist, have a blessed day :)

Quote from Tic_tac_toe

you are confusing two issues and in doing so are coming off as bigoted.

@ bold this whole question is wrong. When you ask this you are eliminating Asians as PART of American culture whether you realize it or not

No, Asians or literally any race seeking rep in America will not and is not the same as Americans seeking rep in homogenous countries.

You can say people should be more accepting, I agree they should be. But you have no right to say these two issues are the same. It's not.

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i dont understand this part "When you ask this you are eliminating Asians as PART of American culture whether you realize it or not"

how was i "eliminating Asians as PART of American culture" by talking about kpop (Korean music)

No, Asians or literally any race seeking rep in America will not and is not the same as Americans seeking rep in homogeneous countries.

this is the whole problem i was implying

and how isn't it the same?

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As for the issues I have with white people in the industry, I think it kind of defeats the purpose of kpop. - From a Kaachi opinion answer

Lana, a Russian idol, debuted under HiCC, a record label in South Korea, as a soloist on June 27, 2019, with the single “Take The Wheel”. Before debuting, she had already made appearances on Korean variety shows like Abnormal Summit as a representative of Russia, and Welcome, First Time in Korea? where she had friends from Russia take a holiday in Korea. Despite Lana’s debut garnering much attention due to her being Russian and for her visuals, she garnered much backlash from the K-pop community on twitter, specifically from K-pop fans who are of color. - From Article "White People Should Not Be Allowed to Debut in Kpop Industry"

As for racism in Korea: Newspapers have frequently reported on and criticized discrimination against immigrants, in forms such as being paid lower than the minimum wage, having their wages withheld, unsafe work conditions, physical abuse, or general denigration.

of the 1245 South Koreans surveyed, 15.2% reported that they would not want someone of a different race as a neighbor.Only 40% of mixed-race elementary and middle school students, or students born out of international marriages are considered. According to a survey conducted by the National Human Rights Commission of Korea among foreign residents in South Korea in 2019, 68.4% of respondents declared they had experienced racial discrimination, and many of them said they experienced it due of their Korean language skills (62.3%), because they were not Korean (59.7%), or due to their race (44.7%).^[22] Legislations to protect against discrimination has been brought up in 2007, 2010 and 2012.^[11] but the bills faced objections chiefly by conservative Protestants. Another attempt has been made in 2020 by a minor liberal Justice Party to “ban all kinds of discrimination based on gender, disability, age, language, country of origin, sexual orientation, physical condition, academic background and any other reason.” Koreans by their classmates. Almost 50% of students said they have difficulties maintaining relationships with students who do not share the same nationality background. The reason given by Korean students is because of their classmates' different skin colors (24.2%), fear of being outcast by other Korean students (16.8%), and feeling of embarrassment if being friends with mixed-race children (15.5%)

Summary: Lana got a lot of hate for being white and racism is horrible for all races in Korea

no, she got hate because she was a Korea boo and ppl didn't like that, the last part has nothing to do with her being in kpop and some of the y someone would be discriminated against doesn't apply to her and those arent even recent statistics all foreigners have a wage gap not just yt ppl multiple idols have came out and said that.

in conclusion if u do not want someone to be in k pop because of their race you are racist, if u want your Korean pop idols to be more global and succeed in america but dont want anyone non Asian to succeed in Korean music industry u r a toxic hypocrite.

Quote from ClementineRuby

I'd also like to add/correct something. It's not just White/Black people who aren't welcome into the K-Pop industry. Lisa (who is Thai) has been heavily insulted for her ethnic background. It's not about being "non-Asian" it's about being not Korean.

im talking about the problem that most people have and what i have seen about non Asians.

Quote from Tic_tac_toe

it's literally not. Asians are already a part of America and American culture.

Unless you're saying it's not? In which case i have no time to argue with bigoted people.

how is non Asians wanting to be accepted a bad thing, you want their to be more diversity and you want to have more representation yet u segregate a music genre, im not trying to make this about black ppl but what is the rolls were reversed what is black people started saying "Koreans can make a k-hip hop because thats one of the only ways we can get representation". i dont think u understood the question neither, i never said that Asians weren't apart of the american music industry i said y is it a problem when non Americans want to be apart of the american music industry but it is a problem when a non Asian want to be apart of the Korean music industry for example superm

"Just recently during Capitol Congress 2019, which took place on August 7th in LA, SM Entertainment founder Lee SooMan revealed: "I was asked by Capitol Music CEO Steve Barnett to produce a new team that would display the strongest synergy between the West and the East recently. That is the reason why Super M was born.Aug 8, 2019"

the group was made for america so they can be apart of the american music industry, and when black swan debuted with 1 black member people had a problem with it because she wasn't Asian which is racist.

Quote from Tic_tac_toe

America is already a racially diverse country it’s not an equal comparison.

Having more representation is something America strives for and wants because it is by nature a diverse country.

There are asian Americans who want to see Asian representation in American media. That’s not the case with kpop. Not just kpop but any other industry which is not racially diverse.

exactly thats the problem and the hypocrisy

Quote from Kaikat

the black swan member still receives way less hate than the white ones who tried to enter..

I don't get it tbh.. but yeah kind of hypocritical..

In my eyes, if they are talented enough and get trained enough to be on the level of other Asian idols then why not?

but then again the one big reason for the appeal of kpop is the asian looks.. it's just a very complicated topic to have a clear thought upon..

I kind of see where both sides are coming from

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i agree with everything except the first part, she has been called racial slurs multiple times, lana is a korea boo that y ppl dont like her not because she is yt and i think we all know that yt ppl in Korean have it easier than ANY other race.

Quote from JaedaKim

It's perfectly fine to be non Asian and be a kpop idol, and Asian in the american industry by my book, but I also get why people don't like it

I honestly don't really care either way though as long as they are talented

what do u understand but them not liking it?

I have seen a lot of people not support the girl group black swan because one of the members of the group is black, it a lot of the toxic International fans who are saying this, they also say that they don't think non-Asian should be in pop because it takes opportunities away from an Asian person like somehow because of their race they didn't have to work just as hard to debut as that Asian person(makes no sense) anyways can yall tell me yalls thoughts on this.