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A good viral moment might help…
They already went viral for winning KBS Music Bank with zero digital and zero physical score. Being the only artist in history to do so.
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I found the article. Straight from Sm former ceo Kim young min mouth.
https://www.buttface.com/artic…million-to-find-and-train
(replace buttface with s00mpi because akp is donkey brained when it comes to that stuff)I also remember around $2m being flung around at the time.
The cost comes from auditioning a shit ton of auditionees and the training a large number of them. SM has a massive pool of trainees and extensive training in all aspects like acting, language etc so that’s a lot of headway already. The potential ones are put into project groups and receive further and intensive training. At one point the SNSD project had 12 members with a few rotating in and out so the costs would rise.
So yeah I wouldn’t be surprised if cost that much to create SNSD especially seeing how extremely talented they were at debut even compared to modern debutees.
"He also explained that finding and training each SNSD member cost around $3 Million dollars per member. There are about 30,000 individuals who take SM auditions and only about 100 end up receiving training. The costs of doing an audition and training reaches nearly $3~5 Million."
He inflates all the cost of the audition and training all trainees that lead to SNSD formations and subtract it by 9. It's impossible to spent 18 million USD to train 9 people. -
Half right, but rather than 'company fan image', the reason why Hybe on buying spree is it's to expand their business portfolio to reduce their dependencies toward BTS.
Hybe operates very differently, all of their sub-labels operate in the same building. Rather than sub-label, it's more appropriate to call them division like JYPE. -
Trainees paying for their idol training would like students paying out of pocket for their entire tuition instead of using grants or loans. The numbers are too much.
I read somewhere a SNSD member on average cost $3million to train from 1st to debut day from their pools of thousands of potential trainees receiving thousands of hours of training in various fields. If an a 10, 11, or whatever year old is expected to pay that much for the course of their training with zero guarantee of debut or success post debut then their family wasted a fuck ton money. A fraction of that could’ve instead been spent elsewhere like university tuition fee which would likely give them a better and stable career path.
So I think I company should pick the costs and reclaim it as debt later on. Otherwise kpop simply wouldn’t be a financially sensible route for anyone unless their family is loaded.
No not that much, it's around $50.000~$110.000 a year per trainee (confirmed by mid agencies CEO and Bang Shi Hyuk). And that's for mid to big agency, it cost much less for smaller agencies.
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In the trainee system, a trainee might not ever debut but still be strapped with a dept
It's not student loan, you are debt free when you're not making it to debut. Trainee contract is short, 1 to 3 years, and companies usually are the one that more eager to let their trainees go to reduce the cost.
Chuu and the girls of Loona accrued a lot of that dept before they were even adults. How many of these children are trapped by trainee dept? How many get abused because that dept gets held over them. Chuu was making less than minimum wage in the US during the 2000's and she was the one in Loona that made money because she had all the extra activities.
Loona don't have that much trainee debt, the members only trained for very short amount of time. The reason they don't earn money is because of that wicked ARTIST contract and the expensive cost of their releases.
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I think we need to differentiate between artist don't earn money because of their trainee debt and they don't earn money because they don't find any success. It's possible for JYPE or HYBE artist that don't have trainee debt to not earn any money in the span of their entire career. -
I do think that the contracts should be heavily regulated though, the amount trainees are responsible for should be limited, and they should be able to wipe away the debt in certain circumstances.
Trainees that make it to debut only responsible for their own training fee, at least in theory. That's why I said in earlier post that there should be more transparency because this system is very prone to predatory behavior.
1. You have zero debt until you debut. Trainees that don't make it basically debt free when their trainee contracts ended.
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It's a good system in theory. If may I add something, maybe:
1. More transparency.
2. Trainees should be allowed to have certain amount of control towards their spending.
3. If the trainees make it to debut, there's need to be some kind of way for the artist to have some earnings while they still paying their debt.
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Le Sserafim Company?
I'm disappointed on your taste Mnet.
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I like Sakura. I don’t know much about her popularity but she is phrased a lot. I don’t know izone and as a non fan I didn’t understand the fuss about her but listening LS album, enjoying it then checking out their other content Sakura became one of my favorite member. Her personality, her work ethic.
I feel like the group overall well put together. I expected her and Chaewon creating an imbalance (?) before debut because of the fandom size they had but other members have strength in different areas and they each loved for different reasons.
That's what people been saying since Produce48.
"Came for face, stayed for personality"Her charming personality is one of the reasons why her fans are so loyal.
If you read her weverse interview, you could see that Le Sserafim's amazing bond isn't a mere coincidence, part of it was that Sakura really put an effort to make that happen.Since you have so much experience, you could ask them to adapt the shooting environment to suit you, but you adapt yourself to the environment instead.
SAKURA: I think I was immature, self-centered and only thinking of myself when I first debuted. But I learned there’s certain things you should say and do to be considerate of others and build a good relationship the longer I’ve been an idol. I think a celebrity’s abilities and talents are important, but even more important is what kind of person they are. If you’re going to work together for a long time and make it enjoyable, the people you’re working with have to want to work with you, too. That’s the kind of person I want to be, and that’s the kind of group I want LE SSERAFIM to be, too.
You seem to be very considerate of the people around you. During your staycation in DAYOFF, EUNCHAE wanted to play in the pool, and you told her, “Just do whatever you want! Do whatever, EUNCHAE. I’ll watch here.” You also told KAZUHA she was fine to speak in Japanese when she was startled by the bathroom light going out.
SAKURA: I want to make sure we all feel comfortable with each other. As you know, our group has something of an age gap. I try to tell the younger members to do what they want and I’ll watch because if they feel like they aren’t allowed to say and do the small things they want repeatedly, then I’m worried they won’t be able to speak up when it really matters. This way we have no problem talking to each other when there’s something really important to talk about or when someone feels hurt. Like, EUNCHAE is the youngest in the group and Zuha came from another country not that long ago. I think I’m trying to say to them the things I wanted to hear and appreciate them the way I wanted to be appreciated when I went through something similar. People were nice to me, but I’m trying to do the things that would’ve made me feel even better if they had.
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You can see that the members do relies on her a lot, although Chaewon is the facto leader, Sakura is the real anchor of the group. -
Her shy and quiet personality is one her charm.
Watching her being awkward and avoiding close up camera always put smile to my face. -
This is exactly what I've been saying. Like you can't get more fans unless people actually SEE you. And the M/Vs are the gateways for new fans. She doesn't even need more lines: she just need more killer parts/memorable scenes. Like tbh her solo scenes from the Antifragile M/V were pretty creatively meh. I didn't see anybody talking about them at all.
Also bring back her bangs dammit....
I get why tho. She was mostly hyped for being former JYP, her sister and her dancing.
Over time the dance style in Izone changed to match her members strengths, they all got better at dancing, people got bored of the related thing and lots of new groups debuted making Itzy less buzzworthy and its been years since she left JYP. All of her biggest buzz points just got out of date and she didn't get enough singing or solo dances in Izone points to make new ones.
SWF was supposed to be that but the comparison to pro dancers torpedoed her, then she fell off the earth when everyone wanted to talk to SWF members (missed the chance to hitch that ride to variety land), then instead of going full Chungha with her debut or playing to said dance strength they went kind of generic and chill (kinda like a b-side from OMG) but her vocals weren't so amazing as to blow everyone away and they didn't give her a amazing collab to boost her buzz.
Sad truth, but Chayeon only popular among casuals, she always ranked dead last in individual sales in IZ*ONE. GP/Casuals are fickle, bad or no release = you're done.
Chayeon need to be in a group in order for her to shine, and that group need to be popular or have popular members or her group would end up like post IOI group.
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It's not that she isn't growing, but her members just grow at astronomical rate. Everyone has outpaced her. The cause:
1. Group concept that doesn't really suit her.
2. Her current styling is horrible to stay the least.
3. No screen time. Her solo screentime is less than the freaking asteroid in antifragile MV. Her solo (gaming) parts also very out of place and forgettable.
4. No killing parts. In IZ*ONE, although her lines also almost non-existence, but at least she got some killing part, so she still noticeable.
As much as many people try to deny, lines, screen time and killing parts is very important factor for the idol's popularity. -
Perhaps, but I don't think that the main reason.
1. Before the election, she already said that 2018 Sousenkyo will d be her last participation.
2. Produce48 already began filming when this election being held. So, unless she failed to get into IZ*ONE line up, she already destined to become K-Pop idol regardless of her senbatsu election result. -
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Indeed
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