I guess it harder for the first one because getting a hit from a b-side is basically impossible.
Posts by wizone4life
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Hype Boy > Attention.
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Yes, Big 4 is privilege, that's true and I didn't claim otherwise. But so is getting that 2.5 years of exposure prior to their debut with their actual groups. If you want to be really pedantic, Ive/LSF and the non-produce members get that privilege, more so than the Produce members themselves.
Long term, Big 4 will always have the advantage, but for their debut the privilege is certainly there for the ex-PD48 members.
I don't think anyone here is denying that IVE/LSF benefit from having ex-izone members.
Produce privilege is that members already have a fanbase when debuting a new group while Big 4 group will always have the attention from the public.
Long term or debut, big 4 have the privilege, but for ex-produce their privilege is only them bring their fandom over unless you have a Wonyoung lol.
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There's definitely some privilege as the Izone members had established fanbases already upon debut. It wouldn't be the same if they were unknown rookies. At least at debut. Their sustained success is due to them and their company/producers, like every other group.
Context matters too in this case. I'm surprised that anyone can compare PD48 with GP999 for example.
One is the most successful season/group and had the additional exposure of partnering with AKB48, one of the most well recognised JPOP groups. The other was a rebrand that happened after a massive scandal. A Kepler member won't debut with the same fanbase as an Izone member.
The other thing I find odd are the comments that the ex-Izone members worked hard for their success. I agree, but does it lessen the hard work of NMixx, Aespa, Itzy, New Jeans etc because they didn't do the "hard work" in the public eye? Like didn't Lily train for a really long time? Is that worth less because nobody saw it?
Every idols went through the stage of being a trainees and work hard to debut same with the Produce members. The point is that produce members earn their popularity and fandom through debuting in a Produce group by promoting music, going on variety show and such... then they bring those "popularity" to their newer group after produce group disband.
and for the group you mention, the different is that they already have popularity and eyes on them because of "big 4 privilege".
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bypannchoaOctober 02, 2022
1. Jang Wonyoung (IVE)
2. IU
3. Ahn Yujin (IVE)
4. Minji (NewJeans)
5. Jennie (BLACKPINK)
6. Yoona (Girls' Generation)
7. Rei (IVE)
8. Mimi (OH MY GIRL)
9. Hanni (NewJeans)
10. Haerin (New Jeans)
11. Gaeul (IVE)
12. Hyein (NewJeans)
13. Choi Yena
14. Karina (Aespa)
15. Danielle (NewJeans)
16. Sullyoon (NMIXX)
17. Taeyeon (Girls' Generation)
18. Kim Sejeong
19. Kim Chaewon (Le Sserafim)
20. Jisoo (BLACKPINK)
21. Jo Yuri
22. Rose (BLACKPINK)
23. Winter (Aespa)
24. Lisa (BLACKPINK)
25. Kwon Eunbi
26. Liz (IVE)
27. Nayeon (TWICE)
28. Chaeryeong (ITZY)
29. Leeseo (IVE)
30. Sakura (Le Sserafim)
31. Irene (Red Velvet)
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original post: here
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Why is NewJeans' name in front of the members' names? (T/N: the results show NewJeans' members as "NewJeans Minji" instead of just "Minji")
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IVE and NewJeans have been searched a lot. They are replacing all the female idols
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Are you trying to make us into NewJeans' fans?
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Minji is above Jennie and Yoonaㅋㅋ Does this even make sense?
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You need to remove the group name. Of course, if you search them together, they will rank higher because you will also have to make a search with the group name
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Fools will think that this is a popularity ranking -
New thing is so good tho.
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When it comes to hate on Wonyoung, Sojang is a reliable source.
lmao.
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I already can see those song topping the chart already lmao.
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What groups deserve to be nominated?
IVE Lesserafim NJ
Who do you want to see win?
IVE
Who do you think will win?
IVE
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IVE with Eleven: Their debut song is big but will their comeback be big? We won't know let's wait
IVE with Love Dive: Their comeback is big, break so many records, but Love Dive is like their peak they will never surpass Love Dive right? Their physicals are okok only.
IVE with After Like: Oh 3 hits in a row? Big physical sales? It's just GP hopping on to the trendiest group maybe next year there is anotjer group bigger than IVE
I can't with people
IVE with After Like should be something like: Sajaegi!! You know Starship known for this!
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I don't think NMIXX even have the chance from the beginning and After LIKE really just come out and say "yeah, stop the roty talk, ive is getting it".
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I heard that there is mic issue with gaeul and wonyoung mic.
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Sojang = we can ignore
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Official Paks now.
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I got technical error on posting the first post so I thought it didn't goes through.
but I guess it did. surry for the duplicated post.
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fellow dives, what do you think about this?
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After Like on instizand yt music:
This shit just prove why paks is a joke and nothing important.
Ichart system itself is just a joke. YouTube is on repair every other week.
Just in case people don't know. They also did it to IU and other so it is nothing exclusive to IVE.
What I don't understand is that, the way of getting paks is to get #1 on all chart that is including on ichart. They repairing a chart don't change the fact that a song is getting #1 on all chart so I don't understand why they don't give back the missing time tbh.
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fellow dives, what do you think about this?
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After Like on instizand yt music:
This shit just prove why paks is a joke and nothing important.
Ichart system itself is just a joke. YouTube is on repair every other week.
Just in case people don't know. They also did it to IU and other so it is nothing exclusive to IVE.
What I don't understand is that, the way of getting paks is to get #1 on all chart that is including on ichart. They repairing a chart don't change the fact that a song is getting #1 on all chart so I don't understand why they don't give back the missing time tbh.