Posts by myaza

Quote from SandyBee3

I’m just saying that it seems they always had interest to enter the US market, your quote now proves that too, that’s why AH and the little collabs, it was to taste waters and to learn more about the market, which is smart to do as a company who starts to build their connections. Of course BH will wait until there is enough demand to put a whole promotion campaign into works. It all cost money.

Bang PD has said they did not have a any plans for western market. They tried Chinese market in 2014 and they were pushing Japanese market much more until they did anything in US in late 2017. They still prioritize Japanese market.

They toured in US, because thats where their fans were.

They didnt get any US promotions before they ranked top 10 on BB200. Their success didnt have anything to do with BH connections, all their opportunities were created by their fanbase. Fanbase showed there was demand and campaigned for physicals, fans campaigned for radio, fans sold out concerts to the point prices at resellers were crazy, so they got more dates and bigger venues. Fans showed up at award shows and events, showing demand, after BTS got nominated or won based on pure numbers.

Organic.

For a group that called itself "best of the best of kpop" it was a massive flop.

I still dont get what SM wanted to achieve with this desperation for Billboard #1, it was a huge amount of money to waste for LSM ego.

1. Spring Day

(2. Dynamite, it hard to rank it right now, we will have to see longevity)

3. BWL

4. Cheer Up

5. D4/LS (thats hard to rank)

Noone has ever dominated like BTS now.

And its the first song released in 2020 by a group to pass 4 million!

Quote from lonelywhalien

a conference??? I don’t think I saw that. The one I saw was just a lecture about ARMYs and their economic impact I think

Yes, there was a whole real academic conference in a UK university: https://www.kingston.ac.uk/eve…inary-conference-project/

Theres even a journal for BTS-related academic research and pther stuff: https://ther3journal.com/

Armys are smart

Quote from lonelywhalien

Oh I’ll read it! Kinda of amazing that the fandom is big enough to be its own entity and its really nice that the fandom is diverse enough to have people interested in making studies about the fandom.

There was a whole conference about BTS and ARMY! Its a unique phenomenon, theres a lot to research.

If anyone is interested in academic research about army, theres this new interesting paper:

It has some interesting findings about army culture and the positive impact it can have.

Quote from Sameera96

She’s an industry plant and I don’t expect her to last even 2 years. It’s not about being bitter. If you follow charts and trends you can see why certain songs blow up and usually their is a pattern. Wap for all its shit was still catchy. This song I can’t find one person that enjoys it but the streams are insane.

She has 175m playlist reach and 0.5m followers And on most of these shes on top, like #1 on TTH.

BTS has 172m playlist reach and 27m followers, they peaked at around 200k playlist reach (and thats including non-curated and charts playlists).

The difference in industry push...

They do the same thing to IArmys

"A Poem For Small Things" - > "Boy With Luv"

Quote from SandyBee3

Just because success stans live for that doesn’t mean the rest do the same.

Yes, success stans fighting about critical merit of bands who never charted anywhere

Theres a whole world out there of people discussing actual music and music reviews, you know? And fighting about it? Theres life outside of kpop or mainstream Apop.

Quote from hana-deul-set

Why isn't it allowed, say it

Blinks will get mad if I say what I think about that song. They will call it "attacking BP unprovoked". Its better to not do threads BTS and BP, it provokes people to give opinions about both.

Depends on if the playlisting and promo would go with the song.

Dynamite as exactly the same song would still be a hit, but probably a smaller one, since armys did give it the initial push. Depends on the artist and promo. It may have ended up a big hit anyway, its very catchy. If another kpop boy group would do it, most of their companies would ruin it by fracturing the song to add all 423433 members and annoying bad rap verses or strange sounds, so that would go nowhere. It could do well as a girl group song.

Im not gonna comment on HYLT, apparently its not allowed.

0.9/10

Derivative, dated, brings nothing new to the table. Possibly plagiarising uknowwhat.

Yes

I also like this thing they said:

Kpoppies tend to see BTS paving the way in a very narrow way and think this should mean their groups should become popular in the west. But it can have much bigger and better influences on ambitions of Asian music in general, in different genres. It shouldnt be limited to only kpop.

Quote from SandyBee3

Exactly they aren’t clear and differ from source to source. BTS is a great critically acclaimed Group but there is nothing that can 100% say they are the most or even “ever” .

Of course not everyone is on the same level... still your claim is wrong cause you can’t determine something like this. And literally nobody does. But Kpop fans want a most or best in nearly everything lol. There are areas where you can do this but this isn’t one.

The difference is big enough to be clear. BTS are on another level.

If you dont think other music genre fans dont argue about music quality or reviews or critical acclaim or being "the best" then I dont know what to say even. It was the only thing I fought about before kpop lmao

Quote from SandyBee3

Lmfao... this has nothing to do with BB or any Artist you are just wrong with your claim cause nobody ever talks about “most critical acclaim “ as there aren’t clear sources for that. People talk about Acts who have a lot of critical acclaim.

Also your last statement couldn’t be more wrong and didn’t help your argument at all but on the other hand I didn’t expected anything else from you anyway :)

There are literally sources for albums or artists with most critical acclaim. Its not clear cut, but you can see the rough segments artists fall into. And BTS is in a different segment from the rest of boybands, globally or locally. You can agree or disagree with critics, but you cant go around claiming Radiohead isnt more critically acclaimed than Maroon 5 or than Kendrick Lamar is somehow on same level with 6ix9ine. Same goes for other genres.

Lmao.

So they sent BTS toy planes as bribes for them to watch some online fashion show?

Quote from jinaland

That music critic has been writing review for metacritic before mostly for European rock pop music. Since 2012 he has got into kpop but that sites didn't use to review kpop music. So he has started his own blog for only kpop music since then. I am just saying kpop groups have never recieved critical acclaim is @@@6c397f4c-bada-4db3-8d08-9961c5d35cf2@@@. If you make little research there are lots of critical acclaims for kpop groups from Billboard, Pitchfork, Guardian etc sites that writes review for Metacritic. At least I hope you have heard Infinite "The Chaser". I am not arguing who got more acclaim I am just saying other groups got acclaim too. But the site metacritic only got score to BTS.

Can you link the site?

Noone writes reviews for metacritic, metacritic simply aggregates existing reviews.

I have really not seen much reviews of kpop on valid sites. Especially before BTS paved the way to the west. Billboard is not a review site, they dont have any music critics. Metacritic doesnt have profiles for other groups because they dont have enough reviews. And they dont have enough reviews because theyre not culturally relevant in music critic cirles. Its not even about being Asian, since indie Asian artists do have enough reviews and do have a metacritic profiles.

Yeah, Ive heard that song and I wasnt impressed. Critical acclaim is not about having one song anyway, we are talking about albums or whole discography here.