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I read rumors that JYP is literally replacing Twice with new girl group Squ4d with Lily M. Squ4d is supposed to be a mix of ITZY and Twice concept and their main targets are US and Korea.

There are 9 or 8 members joining Squ4d.

Also rumors that 1 or 2 members is reportedly joining HYPE but I am not sure which one or two yet.

You mean twice or the new girls joining HYBE?

just a guess. Group consists of 9 members. 3 dancers, 3 rappers and 3 vocals. I mean we will see 2 more teases for the rappers and vocals eventually.

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Yeah, i remember it

I underestimated them, i thought they have no chance to outstream Biggest Group Newest song and then digimon will be out this week.

Well, it turns out they can :-D

Do you think they will be able to hold their place tommorrow and the day after?

I am not sure about daily, but next week, I am sure they will be number 1, and the subsequent weeks after that. Akmu x IU will have an initial burst and may top daily for a few days, but for weekly they can't sustain to be number 1. Unless Akmu x IU pull a dynamite for YouTube music korea, then I can see aespa keeping number 1 for a long time.

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Well, well. Was it you that doubted me when we have a conversation that they'll be number 1 on youtube music korea weekly again? Next Level performance on youtube music korea is extremely impressive, even more impressive than melon. I don't know what is it. It significantly outstream other songs release in 2021 and and it has the similar performance to dynamite in term of consistency and longevity.

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Lee Mujin's song finally reached #2 on MelOn realtime

Look like he is going to top genie too, but too bad,

Akmu x IU coming back today. if not for this, he might top melon in couple of weeks.

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Bye!

Hey, no hard feeling. We are just disagree on this topic. No need to say bye to me. I am still lurking in this thread, look at people opinion, and msybe post something.

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It does not matter your explanation. First of which, that was not your explanation. You took it from another user.

The end result is that the likes did not correlate to whether those songs were successful, which is your whole argument.

Then when I mention other songs that have lower likes and chart well then the reply is "Oh, those are exceptions because blah blah blah."

It does not matter if a song is an OST or not. The point is that there is a history of likes not always correlating to how successful or popular a song is. There is also a history of it ACTUALLY correlating. So, at the end of it all, likes CAN be inconsistent unlike ULs and downloads.

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Okay, we are disagree here. I am moving on.

The best example is the 2 MSG songs just released at the same time a month ago. Look at the their chart position and likes. Melon like is pretty good indication of how well received a song is.

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Because we are literally discussing 2 songs right now that charted well and had some longevity and have lower likes than other songs.

That's the whole point of this thread.

Okay, here we go. Except ASAP and Joy, all the songs mention here have more likes and chart higher. For ASAP, I had already mentioned that look at the time it take to garner the likes. See below for explanation from apropos why ASAP has more like currently. This also apply to Joy.

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ASAP was released in April. It took time to climb the charts. ASAP did 3 weeks in top10 and peaked at same position as AF on melon iirc. But AF is doing better everywhere else. Anyways AF shouldn't have been mentioned as it was released in june and will end up with more likes.

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I disagree. If likes can be manipulated or if they have a history of being inconsistent, then you should focus on the data that is harder to manipulate. But, that's my own opinion. If other people rely on likes to determine whether a song is popular, then that is what they do. Which, I don't think it's wrong to necessarily look at likes, but my problem is when you only look at likes and ignore the other data to come to your conclusion.

No, like on Melon most of the time go well with chart position and popularity. I don't know where you get the idea this is not the case for Melon.

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But that's not true because Alcohol Free is currently in the Top 20?

And Mafia peaked in the Top 10.

I am not argue against any particular song whether Alcohol Free or MITM. I am saying Melon likes is matter for most cases. Of course for some OST, it can chart hight without much like and the opposite is true for most boy groups song. But without these exception, Melon like is really indicative of how well received a song by general public. Look at the top 10 songs. Look at the time they release to garner the likes. Look at the current number 3 for example. His song both rise dramatically in likes and position from a few weeks ago.

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Do likes matter when more people are listening to and streaming them versus some of the other songs you mentioned?

Profits come from streams and downloads and not likes. As long as they do well on those two, likes don't really matter. At least to me personally.

In this Case, it is matter. Likes on Melon usually indicate more uls and more popular. The more people listen song, the higher chance that song will garner more like. This is particularly true for Melon in most cases.

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Here and other sites people were saying ptd is not doing well in korea

This week it is number 2 in korea with 36 million digital points and has a shot at top next week, bcoz uls has increased this week ( correct me if i m wrong )

So not every song has to smash out of gate like dynamite and butter. There is thing called being stable.

It is doing amazing in korea and seems poised to be another stable top 5, top 10 hit for BTS this year. So much for chart rules change going to end BTS

Criteria for BTS is really other level.

It can end up as big hit on yec, if it holds well!

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It doesn't work like that. I am talking about having a shot at number 1. Sure their uls on melons go up a bit compare to last week but streams, download go down compare last week. For sure these 3 songs PTD, Next Level and Traffice Light going to compete for number 2. I am not sure which one gona come out on top but iam not seeing PTD topping number 1. This is not downplay PTD by the way, it's just my observation base on chart and data.

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Here are the full results:

#1: aespa - Next Level (26%)

#2: Oh My Girl - Dun Dun Dance (16%)

#3T: BTS - Butter (12%)

#3T: STAYC - ASAP (12%)

#4: SHINee - Don't Call Me (8%)

#5T: TWICE - Alcohol Free (7%)

#5T: Brave Girls - Rollin' (7%)

#6: TXT - 0X1=Lovesong (6%)

#7: NCT Dream - Hot Sauce (3%)

#8: Rosé - On The Ground (2%)

Do note that the linked AKP article mentions that "Over 100 K-netizens" participated, so the sample size is fairly small.

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No, the sample size is pretty big. For comparison, Gallup is regard as the most important for many kpop fans, only sample a few thousands. Recently, it is 5000 in 2020.

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Also, BTS can win without promoting because their songs are hits, deal with it.

This is true to some extend but not quite. BTS always have the views and the fan votes no matter how long. Views and fan vote play a major part in music show wins beside digital. MSG foolish love is biggest hit this year, and they won't win any music show soon or any at all. Yes, that's right. This song is even bigger than iu lilac and celebrity in term of peak in digital points per week. and I don't see it slow down anytime soon.

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It will be harder for an artist to get a PAK in that case especially since it's carried by a younger generation. It's already pretty hard to get a PAK with the Melon reform so imagine how much more harder it'll be if YT was added?

You can see how apparent the difference is with how different the YT weekly chart is compared to the Melon weekly chart. MSG Wannabe managed to get a PAK but are nowhere to be found on the Youtube weekly chart top 10.

Idol groups top that list regularly as well which will make it harder for non-idol artists to get PAKs.

Anyway, should it be added to Gaon? Yes. Adding it to iChart will be difficult since YT is weekly and iChart is a realtime chart, but if possible, yes. It pretty much has the 2nd largest marketshare there so not adding it would leave out a large percentage of music consumers.

The reason why I mention ichart because they maybe considered adding them to their chart a few days ago.

To me, youtube doesn't have a daily make it harder to implement it.

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only if they will at least implement daily chart instead of weekly one.

Yea, agree with the daily one with ichart, but that is not important as Gaon. Gaon could add youtube music if they want to, but for some reason they have not. Kinda baffling.

The reason I am making this thread because ichart ask the same question on Twitter a few days ago.

I think it is fair really, and it must add to ichart especially Gaon. Youtube music streaming represent a younger generation that is not into traditional Korean app. I think Infact if you not include youtube music, it's kinda miss represent the music industry as a whole. Youtube music is second to melon in term of market share. I am not sure about youtube music filter stream but I heard back then it did. looking at this chart, it's not far from what is on Melon right.

Keep in mind that MSG Wannabe have not release their MV yet. There are only audios on YouTube music.

Sure, this is benefit Idol more, so what? It is still a platform that korean use to consume their music just like melon. Could this also the reason why gaon digital points going down tremendously because they did not include youtube music? So go ahead and let me know your opinion.

so people from Taiwan are Chinese now. Good to know.

BTS first in digital, but aespa first in streaming. Surprised but not unexpected. Those boost downloads to prevent butter from going down on Melon must have help alot. As you see from Kang Daniel Antidote digital point got an absurd 54 mil for first week which mostly from download.