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    Yoo In-seok, former CEO of Yuri Holdings, was sentenced to 6 months prison suspended for 2 years (2 years probation) for inciting aggravated assault.

    버닝썬 유인석, 특수폭행교사 혐의 집행유예 2년 선고[공식]
    빅뱅 전 멤버 승리(30·이승현)와 함께 버닝썬 사태 핵심 인물로 꼽힌 유인석 전 유리홀딩스 대표의 특수폭행교사 혐의 1심 선고에서 재판부가 유인석에 대해 집행유예를 선고했다. 수원지방법원 형사14단독은 22일 유인
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    *The correct date is September 24th, NOT August 24th.

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    I have never shamed the women involved in this. So stop trying to push the “you are sexist agenda”. I have never said that sex work is bad but it’s a fact that it is illegal in Korea and people who usually do this (or all of them except a few) are Hannams who do not value women much. Before you spend the last of your dignity argumenting for this trash and twisting other people’s words, save it. I have encountered a lot guys like him and they do not value women at all. Denying this would just show how delusional you already are

    lets dissect your entire reply:

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    I have never said that sex work is bad but it’s a fact that it is illegal in Korea and people who usually do this (or all of them except a few) are Hannams who do not value women much.

    so after shaming and moral policing me for not aligning with your pov or morality in all your previous posts, you now finally switch focus to legality - then I don't argue the existing legality of sex work in skor, it is illegal and both buyer and seller should be punished according to the law. and just to clarify my own position - I do support decriminalization of sex work and I believe that people have complete right over their bodies and consenting adults should be able to do whatever they want as long as it's not hurting others - I don't support moral policing of others as you seem to spend most of your time doing.


    Next the second part of your comment is a generalization and does not apply to this case, every case or event should be judged on it's own merits and not generalization that are not relevant to the specific situation.

    if you had followed the details of the case and actually bothered to read the testimonies of the prostitutes and their madam/pimp (whose value and respect you are so concerned about but ironically whose agency and freewill to choose as women or adults you seem to not care much about) then there is no coercion in this case, the women involved chose to do this, furthermore it seems they freelance - I remember one prostitute saying unnie/pimp contacted her and made a good offer that she accepted (her statement should be in this thread somewhere. from yoo insuks case it seems he paid each one of them anywhere between usd3300 to usd3700). the supposed pimp/madam that arranged the women testified in Yoo insuks trial that she regretted her actions and that her personal life was badly affected already, her long-term relationship ended as a consequence of this scandal - point being it's very clear that these are normal people with agency to do as they chose just like you and i, by generalizing them all as mistreated victims you take that away agency from these women/adults. not everyone in sex work is a victim - it can be a lucrative choice for some, the women involved in this particular case certainly were not the victims you speak of. learn to see every case on it's own merits.


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    I have never shamed the women involved in this. So stop trying to push the “you are sexist agenda”.

    first thing I notice is it's ironic that in this case you judge consensual sex work is something morally bad and (by your abusive comments directed at me) only someone lacking any respect could be accepting of it, you shame and hate the buyer of said sexual service but somehow the very willing seller of that very same sexual service is exempt from your moral censure - buyer and seller in this case are equally responsible as they both made a choice to engage in an illegal activity - yet in this case buyer is "trash" but seller is not - the selective application of your moral values just doesn't add up, seems hypocritical.


    Also you say you don't shame the women but can you say you treat these women with basic respect or dignity when in your every comment you take their agency away by (falsely) generalizing them as victims, you do not even talk of them as individuals with agency and freewill (it seems you have not even bothered to read up what these women have actually said or you would not be wrongly generalizing them so). from your post and gross lack of actual knowledge about the women involved in this case it seems obvious that you don't really care about these women and they are just a convenient tool to use as you please to fit into your narrative/agenda of hate and shame. do you call you own use and treatment of these women as respectful? like i said introspect, question your own self and your own behaviour before others.


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    Before you spend the last of your dignity argumenting for this trash and twisting other people’s words, save it. I have encountered a lot guys like him and they do not value women at all. Denying this would just show how delusional you already are

    the first sentence is abuse.

    second sentence is projection and prejudice (keep your own issues and prejudice separate from the subject and view every situation on it's own specific merits to maintain objectivity is all i can say to you).

    the last sentence an ad hominem - slow claps for you, you must really have a lot of self-respect to behave so.

    Again, have some self respect. When you oppar is doing prostitution, he must value women right...

    so we'll leave the legal aspect of this case aside for a moment and discuss the moral aspect of it considering your entire focus (in every post) seems to be on shaming others for not aligning with your own morality. lets discuss about who is worthy of respect and the value of women as this seems to be your focus.


    so if a woman chooses to prostitute (chooses to sell sex for money - as is the case here, she chose to sell sex and somebody chose to buy that sex, meaning they are two essential halves of the same act), now by your reasoning if I lack self-respect or I am not worthy of respect for being accepting/permissive of sex work between consenting adults, then by that same reasoning of yours she must not have any self-respect or is not worthy of any respect either (because while i am accepting and refuse to judge people for consensual sex work, she is the one actually choosing to do it as her means of earning).

    You ask me if he values women, but do you actually value or respect women or only the women that align with your own morality? it doesn't seem like you have much respect for the woman whose value you allude to. Now why don't you spend your time in introspection instead of shaming and harassing others.

    I think it’s better close this Thread now. He got convicted and that’s the end of the story.


    The judges found him guilty, so that’s it. Let this die. Not gonna help anyone.

    like I said:

    his legal journey is still ongoing, this verdict is not the end or final by any means - it ends when he is either acquitted by the higher courts or he accepts the verdict or he exhausts his legal rights and the supreme court gives a verdict which all party have to accept. Till then try to respect due process.


    Also none of you actually created this thread or even update it, so why the sudden concern about it helping anyone. either the creator of this thread decides to close the thread or people stop updating and it dies it's natural death - personally I have decided to follow/update his legal journey through till the end.

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    Dude, the guy literally just got convicted for prostitution mediation and 8 other crimes (plus he has a deep link to the convicted rapists from his circle of friends). He is directly associated with prostitution and rape, so it's deeply unsettling and triggering for a lot of people to constantly have to see this thread full of delusional fans trying to defend and excuse a now officially convicted criminal in the main section. Maybe you should have some respect for all the other people on this forum?


    I hope mods consider closing this thread.

    first of all any prostitution that he is accused of was between fully consenting adults, where even the prostitutes testimony supported seungri and said he was not involved. so while prostitution is a crime there is no element of coercion involved.


    Also he is not deeply related to rape - he is not responsible for other people's crimes, he is not accused of sexually assaulting anyone, he is not charged or ever investigated for any such thing, he was not even a witness in jung joonyoung and choi jonghoon's crimes/trial.

    further more he very clearly testified under oath (in the last hearing) that he was not even part of any chat about rape - the police/prosecution have the actual excel files of the kkt chats, the judged must have it too - if he is lying then they could have charged him with perjury, and that carries a far more stricter punishment that his current indictments - and he still has to appeal so he would never make a careless statement and risk perjury. So after his testimony i can say with complete certainty that he has no connection with rape.


    And most of all his legal journey is still ongoing, this verdict is not the end or final by any means - it ends when he is either acquitted by the higher courts or he accepts the verdicts or he exhausts his legal rights and the supreme court gives a verdict which all party have to accept.

    Till then control your need to trample on due process.


    Also usually it's actually only I who is active in this thread (and even i logged in after over a week), so if you see delusional people swarming this thread - then that's all you desperate folks swarming here today.


    those who don't want to see this thread - can try exercising some self control and not clicking.

    For the VIPs who are still defending him, it's done. Seungri's a convicted pimp. We can't defend him anymore. Nothing we can do now other than to support the other four

    talk about your own self, the other "vips who are still defending him" can decide for their own selves what each of them want to do - everybody can make their own decision (at least i'm not outsourcing my decision making to random strangers who seem to have no sense of personal boundaries).

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    its not about whether anyone clicks it or not. its about the fact that we even have to lay eyes upon this propaganda bs title.

    and why do you think your lack of boundaries and sense of entitlement is other people's problem.

    As you can see I'm not the creator of this thread, I just keep it up to date, when the creator of this thread logs in she'll update the title as she usually does (and no I'm not about to dm her to entertain your inner karen - do it yourself if it really bothers you). meanwhile take it as an opportunity to exercise some self control.