All i am saying is Jennie did make a splash in sk when she debuted. There has been no follow up and i don't see one near by either. Yet she maintains her position. I am not saying she is bigger than taeyeon but bp has a member who has made impact in Korea and is hugely popular. Even rosé did decently and she had huge anticipation at debut. Did any other snsd member do as well as rose in Korea on charts?
My point is, Jennie has the potential. But YG (and blinks) won't make that happen
Well success isn't opinion based, we can see and use numbers so objectively speaking and not bringing up feelings or arbitrary and non quantifiable entities like 'impact' or 'hype' than yes. Twice have also. Numbers pretty much across the board confirm this. When you reach the top of the pile over the last 2-4 years it's expected as you're getting a slice of a much much larger pie than SNSD, Kara and 2NE1 had say 5-8 years prior.
Kpop is globally bigger now and those groups simply sell more, have higher sps and global music sales from. They also tour currently better than SNSD did in their prime in terms of venue sizes and would have put much much bigger numbers on the board if a pandemic didn't steal 2 of their prime years from them.
It's in ways an unfair comparison as, again, success isn't an opinion it's a fact expressed as a number in the relevant metrics and that shows BlackPink are more successful. The unfairness is that the market for Kpop now is simply a lot bigger in almost everyway so it's expected for modern groups to do better than their historic competition.
If you're talking about cultural saturation, domestic fame and sales, etc thats up for debate and a much different question, but if you're talking pure success than that's not.
I'll put you this way:
Mamamoo was a top group for almost 4 years, they burst their asses to be where they are today. And it took them A LOT of work to build a solid international fandom.
That's how things work, younger groups will always have an advantage.
Anyway, that doesn't mean BP's success isn't unprecedented
You're undermining her popularity. She has been waaay bigger than just a solo hit. She is the biggest solo female artist after IU hands down. And probably the biggest soloist from a girl group since Lee Hyori. Being an "it girl" can go away easily with time
True. But isn't international popularity more important when you're as big as Blackpink?
They are probably the biggest GG worldwide from the past decade
She has a great vocal tone but her skills are average
They have the digital success of 2ne1
International success of SNSD (to say the least)
Solo impact even bigger than Hyuna's
By far the biggest physicals numbers from a GG
And they are currently the biggest asian celebrities out there
If Jisoo hits the jackpot with her drama then I think we can honestly say they are the biggest korean GG ever
Do you agree?
I understand what you mean, but I don't understand why they can't be considered (re-)peaks. It's actually exactly because of that why they should be considered peaks. I'm mainly talking about Psycho here.
Psycho was definitely a veeery successful era, but I wouldn't really consider it a re-peak since it didn't had the impact of let's say Red Flavor or Bad Boy (let's remember that Power Up got a PAK due to the big hype from their past releases)
Groups can start to decline and still have some successful comebacks here and there (Wonder girls for example experienced that too)
Is it just me or does this sentence not make any sense? If you're gonna troll, then at least try harder to make this entertaining for all of us
All groups I mentioned weren't trendy when those songs came out. TFTMN was a sleeper hit and Psycho was preceed by three flop eras. Same thing with Hip, although it was by far their biggest song internationally
Oh, you are a troll .
Take a look at gaon's yearly chart
Dalla Dalla #11 (a hit)
Icy #99 (not a flop but not great either)
Wannabe #53 (a mid tier hit)
Not shy #113 (kinda flop)
And this year isn't better for them, i'm afraid
Itzy decline is not icy and I
DALLA DALLA is only itzy’s peak in korea but everywherelse Mafia in the morning and wannabe is bigger everywhere
Icy is their biggest hit in Japan after wannabe
If we consider itzy ‘s worst performance then it’s loco , there’s no decline for itzy , they are barley 3 years old .
Itzy sold 480k copies, their sales had a good increase . They are not on decline, charted high on bbhot 200
Itzy is by far the worst performing big 3 GG digitally probably ever. They've been doing bad since Icy. Sure Wannabe was somewhat a hit among kpop fans but outside that, it's performance was okay
All groups have been incresing their album sales, so I wouldn't really consider that for this list.
how is zzb rv decline ?
when RV released psycho who did extremely well
and their comeback after psycho was queendom who also did well digitally and charted in the top 10 '-'
and their sales increase
a decline is when a group is losing popularity and only decline in the chart since this
but it's clearly not the case of rv '-'
The zimzalabim, RBB, Umpa umpa did really bad. It was a decline. Psycho was a surprise hit but Queendom felt short in terms of success, even internationally