Oh, it's based on pure album sales I take it?
Congratulations to NewJeans! They're quick ascension into K-Pop royalty has been a magical journey
They also count streams and digital sales
Oh, it's based on pure album sales I take it?
Congratulations to NewJeans! They're quick ascension into K-Pop royalty has been a magical journey
They also count streams and digital sales
So flop
Gonna disband next it seems
.. so basically spotify >>> touring for you
Now you're being disingenuous
I merely stated why those groups aren't flopping on Spotify and their numbers are perfectly fine for groups who failed to reach a more mainstream audience. It's the same question on why Boygroups can have big touring in SK and Japan and underwhelming charting. Touring correlates with a big fandom and being respected in a niche. Streams are about casuals. It's really as simple as that
The one who created a thread putting Too much importance on Spotify was you, not me
Why is your entire post NJ vs Twice lmao
Twice are selling out stadiums worldwide and are gonna end their tour with 1.5M attendees easily. They are def worldwide popular.
It wasn't my intention to make this a flame war, I'm sorry if this was how it sounds
TWICE numbers are incredible, but touring numbers aren't enough to reflect on Spotify streaming charts. For streaming charts you need casuals. TWICE has a lot of casuals, but not in the same level as the 2 aforementioned groups. As such TWICe has a ceilling on how much they can get when releasing a song. The same is true for the 4th gen girlies, G Idle and LSRF are not flopping they simply don't have reached an audience big enough to pull 3 million plus daily streams for a single track
TWICE exist.
TWICE has a much bigger fandom and is a much more prestigious group than NJ for sure, but they don't have the same widespread appeal in western country's. NJ is everywhere among teens and Gen Z kids
OMG is only one year old and is already significantly bigger than any TWICE song on Spotify. It comes to no surprise that, despite having many time bigger discography and a new release single TWICE is already pulling less daily streams than NewJeans m. NJ has 9 songs pulling over 300k daily streams, TWICE has one I Got You
With only 18 months of existence and 3 comebacks NJs already have 47% of TWICE total streams. They are likely to have the same amount of streams TWICE has now before their third group anniversary
After looking at the listeners demography of groups on Melon I think koreans make a very small distinction about whether they are listening to BGs or GGs. What inflates BG female demography is their fandom which is mostly females, understandable by the way they are marketed
Aside of that GG music is just more catchy and GP friendly, they release more hit songs but when a BG release a hit song the audience is the same as GG songs
International fans are a bit different. Most of us are fans, not only random people listening local music. The parasocial component is way to strong here. Guys will not find stanning male idols appealing. LGBT guys may find male idols hot and stylish, but even LGBT guys can't look at male idols at think "This is easily my role model". GG have an image many girls can relate and identity with. BGs hardly have concepts and image men (either gay or straight) can relate to
I wish I could develop better but I'm feeling half asleep now, so I did my best
It was a nice try indeed
But when we normalize data based on how long th song charted (which is basically what you done when normalizing year end data) it will favour post streaming songs
The absence of idols don't surprise me. You just need to take a look on how Gaon charts looked from 2014 to 2020 to see that soloists were absolutely dominant on Korean charts. The peak idol years in Korea where 2010-2013 and 2021-now
Idols performed exceptionally well during some years like 2016 and 2018, but those are exceptions rather than the norm
Maybe in second half of the year?
This thread was prematurely made because when they sell out dives will be mocking this thread. But it does make me wonder why Kpop is running backwards. They are selling millions of their albums but didn't do market research for where their demand is backed up by evidence. I feel if you are selling millions but can't sell out stadiums there should be discussions made on the wrong perception of popularity these inflated album sales are giving these kpop groups. This isn't only directed at Ive.
An album is just a few USD now, concerts are expensive
Kpop is not running backwards if anything is making progress because people who didn't buy albums are now buying them
Depends on the reception of their last comeback
If the comeback smashed 9 to 10 months, but even more is acceptable
If the comeback did fine/as expected around 6 to 7 months
If the comeback bombed as soon as possible, 3 months If possible
If your last comeback had multiple promoted releases/singles start counting since the release of the last promoted single
I wonder if Super Shy or OMG can reach 1 billion eventually
So are they doing Sajaegi or not?
I don't like Teddy music so I don't think I'm stanning them, but who knows. I'm curious to see what they will pull out
I knew before clicking it was Reboot
I don't like 4 members group, it makes choreography a bit strange without a center