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They only performer their bsides once, so most people don’t even know they exist.
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Don't be ridiculous. Debuting in big3, be it YG, JYP or SM, gives far more exposure and a guaranteed future than debuting in Starship regardless of having exposure media prior to that. Of course a company stan or big3 group fan would pretend they don't know this. As if IVE isn't the only post produce group that is actually successful when there was several attempts in the past, and as if other ex-Izone members aren't flopping. Yall literally said that IVE's first comeback would flop because of the Produce curse, I saw this everywhere on anon section when Eleven was successful, now look how cute the narrative is changing because the prediction went backwards. Kpop stans are trying to compare being a post produce group member to being a big3 idol now. IVE's impact.
Just to be clear, I have nothing against SKZ. Both groups are doing amazing and are 4th gen leaders. Being from big3 doesnt nullify that they earned their success. But it's a fact that elitist kpop stans don't like and take a while to accept when a mid sized company group do better. I've seen this happen a couple of times before.
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Don't be ridiculous. Debuting in big3, be it YG, JYP or SM, gives far more exposure and a guaranteed future than debuting in Starship regardless of having exposure media prior to that. Of course a company stan or big3 group fan would pretend they don't know this. As if IVE isn't the only post produce group that is actually successful when there was several attempts in the past, and as if other ex-Izone members aren't flopping. Yall literally said that IVE's first comeback would flop because of the Produce curse, I saw this everywhere on anon section when Eleven was successful, now look how cute the narrative is changing because the prediction went backwards. Kpop stans are trying to compare being a post produce group member to being a big3 idol now. IVE's impact.
IVE had a higher peak on Billboard than SKZ though. People haven't caught on yet because they are company stans and are in denial that a gg is doing better than big4 groups. Doesn't that sound familiar? But each day and each achievement it becomes more crystal clear, at some point will be impossible to deny. Their summer comeback will obliterate any doubt.
External Content twitter.comContent embedded from external sources will not be displayed without your consent.Through the activation of external content, you agree that personal data may be transferred to third party platforms. We have provided more information on this in our privacy policy.Debuting in big3 gives more exposure than in starship sure but debuting in produce gp gives exposure media like big3 too. You guys need to stop acting as if being in a produce gp or post produce gp have no exposure whatsoever. Izone members were promoting for 2 and a half years already gaining more exposure than being some predebut unknown trainee in big 3. Wonyoung already gained many endorsements and advertisements predebut, her cbar alone bought 100k albums yet y'all acting like they are some kind of underprivileged group. Don't compare izone with other produce groups saying the members from other post produce groups flop when they only promoted for 1 year while izome promoted for 2 and a half year already gaining more fanbase.
B-sides charting is a sure sign of fandom streaming. IVE is not even a year old group, will take time for a fandom to grow compared to SKZ which started in 2018 (but already has predebut contents since 2017). SKZ is not growing at a fast pace, it’s growing surely and steadily.
Ive maybe not be a year old group but they have wonyoung and yujin,they already have predebut content in pd48 in 2018 and fandom in produce and izone. Wonyoung is the it girl in sk, her cbar alone bought 100k albums. Stop acting like they are nugu have no predebut fandom whatsoever.
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Debuting in big3 gives more exposure than in starship sure but debuting in produce gp gives exposure media like big3 too. You guys need to stop acting as if being in a produce gp or post produce gp have no exposure whatsoever. Izone members were promoting for 2 and a half years already gaining more exposure than being some predebut unknown trainee in big 3. Wonyoung already gained many endorsements and advertisements predebut, her cbar alone bought 100k albums yet y'all acting like they are some kind of underprivileged group. Don't compare izone with other produce groups saying the members from other post produce groups flop when they only promoted for 1 year while izome promoted for 2 and a half year already gaining more fanbase.
Ive maybe not be a year old group but they have wonyoung and yujin,they already have predebut content in pd48 in 2018 and fandom in produce and izone. Wonyoung is the it girl in sk, her cbar alone bought 100k albums. Stop acting like they are nugu have no predebut fandom whatsoever.
We will compare because only IVE, Lesserafim and Yena out of ex Izone members are doing well. The other girls are nowhere to be seen, people paid dust to Eunbi and Yuri solos, and with few exceptions, we have seen this over and over post Produce idols lose their appeal and fans interest once they go back to their original label, I don't have to explain.
Being an it girl is not the same as being a singer, you can sell products with your face but you cant sell music if the music is shit. If Wonyoung was so much bigger than the other members this group would have turned into Miss A right from the beginning but it didn't even though even Starship almost helped to aggravate it.
Sure Wonyoung and Yujin helped the group get attention and sales but I will remind you two things that it looks like you forgot:
1. Eleven is their debut song, not Love Dive. You should compare IVE's debut sales to be able to measure post Izone Wonyoung's selling power, not Love Dive. Eleven sold overall around 250k, so around half of what Wonyoung cbar bought in Love Dive era. It's more a sign of their growth then post Izone Wonyoung's relevance.
2. If IVE had a hated or boring debut song like NMIXX and Lesserafim respectively, they would never be able to sell like these other two groups. People would just stop caring about them instead of giving a chance to their bsides and saying they will get better next comeback.
So yes, being from a big company is a far bigger deal than just having some previous media exposure and I shouldn't even be saying the obvious. Their luck is that not only their music is good, but each member is very charismatic and can stand out next to Wonyoung and Yujin. It should be a good thing so I can't see any reason why people getting mad that the girls are thriving.
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We will compare because only IVE, Lesserafim and Yena out of ex Izone members are doing well. The other girls are nowhere to be seen, people paid dust to Eunbi and Yuri solos, and with few exceptions, we have seen this over and over post Produce idols lose their appeal and fans interest once they go back to their original label, I don't have to explain.
Being an it girl is not the same as being a singer, you can sell products with your face but you cant sell music if the music is shit. If Wonyoung was so much bigger than the other members this group would have turned into Miss A right from the beginning but it didn't even though even Starship almost helped to aggravate it.
Sure Wonyoung and Yujin helped the group get attention and sales but I will remind you two things that it looks like you forgot:
1. Eleven is their debut song, not Love Dive. You should compare IVE's debut sales to be able to measure post Izone Wonyoung's selling power, not Love Dive. Eleven sold overall around 250k, so around half of what Wonyoung cbar bought in Love Dive era. It's more a sign of their growth then post Izone Wonyoung's relevance.
2. If IVE had a hated or boring debut song like NMIXX and Lesserafim respectively, they would never be able to sell like these other two groups. People would just stop caring about them instead of giving a chance to their bsides and saying they will get better next comeback.
So yes, being from a big company is a far bigger deal than just having some previous media exposure and I shouldn't even be saying the obvious. Their luck is that not only their music is good, but each member is very charismatic and can stand out next to Wonyoung and Yujin. It should be a good thing so I can't see any reason why people getting mad that the girls are thriving.
Eunbi and yuri solos still have good album sales compared to the previous produce gp members. Exposure from izone are the same or more from big3.
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people like their music, concept aesthetic but nobody care for them as a group or individually appart wonyoung lol. The girls are cute but they are boring and don't have strong charisma( appart wy)
Compare that to blackpink were people are more invested into the members themself than there music.
And please IVE are not underdog, like WY herself can sell 100k album and starship is not nugu, this is a upper mid tiers company, just behind the big4.
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people like their music, concept aesthetic but nobody care for them as a group or individually appart wonyoung lol. The girls are cute but they are boring and don't have strong charisma( appart wy)
Compare that to blackpink were people are more invested into the members themself than there music.
And please IVE are not underdog, like WY herself can sell 100k album and starship is not nugu, this is a upper mid tiers company, just behind the big4.
That is so so far from the truth. The other girls trend all the time on kforums and Leeseo literally went VIRAL not once, but twice. If that's not enough proof that they can't stand on their own I don't know what else could be.
And IVE have many casual listeners right now, you just can't expect everyone that listen to them become stans only for that when they are only a 5 month group.
Comparing them to Wonyoung isn't the best example either, Wonyoung is pretty much a wall in Korea not only among IVE but as well as other 4th gen female idols.
Makes no sense that you are comparing them to Blackpink either. Blackpink didn't reach where they are now overnight, it's been 6 years since their debut. IVE is only 5 months old so what even...
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people like their music, concept aesthetic but nobody care for them as a group or individually appart wonyoung lol. The girls are cute but they are boring and don't have strong charisma( appart wy)
Compare that to blackpink were people are more invested into the members themself than there music.
And please IVE are not underdog, like WY herself can sell 100k album and starship is not nugu, this is a upper mid tiers company, just behind the big4.
the audacity to say this when Blackpink is the only gg charting their whole album in Korea AND internationally…
Blackpink ballad bside charting higher than all gg songs in Spotify… and poeple care about the members more?
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