It seems that 4th gen groups are making songs that appeal to younger kids more often.
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It seems that 4th gen groups are making songs that appeal to younger kids more often.
Cute
which is what I've always said...if i were to debut a kpop group I would so make it targeted towards children and only children
which is what I've always said...if i were to debut a kpop group I would so make it targeted towards children and only children
LOL alright...
Imagine how exhausting that would be though... 
Some YouTubers that cater specifically to 7-13 say how hard it is...
LOL alright...
Imagine how exhausting that would be though...
Some YouTubers that cater specifically to 7-13 say how hard it is...
really? here's a group from my country that killed it during their heyday and still do (albeit with some new members)
. They were listed at the top of Business Review Weekly's top-earning Australian entertainers four years in a row and earned A$45 million in 2009. In 2011, the worldwide recession hit the Wiggles, as it had done for many Australian entertainers; they earned $28 million, but they still appeared second on BRW's list that year. The Wiggles have enjoyed almost universal approval throughout their history, and their music has been played in pre-schools all over the world.
really? here's a group from my country that killed it during their heyday and still do (albeit with some new members)
. They were listed at the top of Business Review Weekly's top-earning Australian entertainers four years in a row and earned A$45 million in 2009. In 2011, the worldwide recession hit the Wiggles, as it had done for many Australian entertainers; they earned $28 million, but they still appeared second on BRW's list that year. The Wiggles have enjoyed almost universal approval throughout their history, and their music has been played in pre-schools all over the world.
Yeah, but imagine choosing a career where your whole job is to cater to kids. I feel like if you're a YouTuber, it's especially hard because you have a strong fanbase full of older kids/preteens and you can't change your focus to teenagers and adults as easily or you'll use that fanbase that's supporting you already. (and the kids are a really strong fanbase). You also get a pretty significant decrease in viewership during the school year for most kids and if you're monetizing for that, you're losing money.
I feel like it's easier for actors to get away with it since there are kids that starred on innocent shows on Disney Channel and other networks aimed for kids and then take on more mature rules a few years later. (I also think that Disney is a great way for an aspiring kid actor to become a star in the future, like in more acting gigs [Peyton List...] and even as a singer [Demi Lovato, Selena Gomez, Olivia Rodrigo Miley Cyrus...])
Sure, it's a lot of money. But also actors that do this are bound to the children's network they're on. For most, it's not a great look if you're working on series aims for children and then star in something aimed for older people at one time.
Oh! I remember them! That's really impressive, honestly!
That's not what I mean (as seen above) though. Also, I remember them! I think they were on TV for a while in the US. I think it was on a channel called BabyFirst
Display MoreYeah, but imagine choosing a career where your whole job is to cater to kids. I feel like if you're a YouTuber, it's especially hard because you have a strong fanbase full of older kids/preteens and you can't change your focus to teenagers and adults as easily or you'll use that fanbase that's supporting you already. (and the kids are a really strong fanbase). You also get a pretty significant decrease in viewership during the school year for most kids and if you're monetizing for that, you're losing money.
I feel like it's easier for actors to get away with it since there are kids that starred on innocent shows on Disney Channel and other networks aimed for kids and then take on more mature rules a few years later. (I also think that Disney is a great way for an aspiring kid actor to become a star in the future, like in more acting gigs [Peyton List...] and even as a singer [Demi Lovato, Selena Gomez, Olivia Rodrigo Miley Cyrus...])
Sure, it's a lot of money. But also actors that do this are bound to the children's network they're on. For most, it's not a great look if you're working on series aims for children and then star in something aimed for older people at one time.
Oh! I remember them! That's really impressive, honestly!
That's not what I mean (as seen above) though. Also, I remember them! I think they were on TV for a while in the US. I think it was on a channel called BabyFirst
oh well the wiggles or that concept aka sesame street type content is what I imagined as a dedicated children's group - that only focuses on children and not on viewers per se...
when I mean children I mean young primary/elementary school children not like your age children lol
creating an entire brand/show dedicated catering towards young kids who buy clothes and toys etc etc
I guess for YT or people like the Disney/Nickelodeon girls/boys and their music/work - the issue is you need to figure out what your target audience is and market it for that audience...the problem with changing to a more mature sound/look/role is that obviously one is going to lose some of the fans that grew up with you and also gain some new ones...
for people like the wiggles it's only targeted towards children (and parents to a lesser extent I guess) and that target doesn't change...if you as the audience grow up obviously you're not longer interested in that music/content but there will always be other children to fill in that gap - does that make sense?
Display Moreoh well the wiggles or that concept aka sesame street type content is what I imagined as a dedicated children's group - that only focuses on children and not on viewers per se...
when I mean children I mean young primary/elementary school children not like your age children lol
creating an entire brand/show dedicated catering towards young kids who buy clothes and toys etc etc
I guess for YT or people like the Disney/Nickelodeon girls/boys and their music/work - the issue is you need to figure out what your target audience is and market it for that audience...the problem with changing to a more mature sound/look/role is that obviously one is going to lose some of the fans that grew up with you and also gain some new ones...
for people like the wiggles it's only targeted towards children (and parents to a lesser extent I guess) and that target doesn't change...if you as the audience grow up obviously you're not longer interested in that music/content but there will always be other children to fill in that gap - does that make sense?
Okay...I feel like that's a bit different. The younger kids actually probably make the greatest audience
Yeah true. And the way I think that YouTubers probably have it the hardest in this sense is it's something that you can get pretty tired of pretty easily unless your goal is just to make kids happy. But imagine making so much money on it and then it starts becoming something you're not completely interested in anymore. You really can't just make another channel willy nilly because they may be young but (most of them, lol) weren't born yesterday.
There's a Minecraft YouTuber named Logdotzip who caters to kids their age range and monetizes it. He talked about all these as being problems he faced. YouTube Minecraft, there was a period where there was a decrease in both Minecraft viewership and Minecraft YouTubers (until recently pretty much). He also says how the money flow is slower during the school year too. He made another YouTube channel to help him with monetization but it was aimed mostly for teenagers and adults and let me tell you, it FLOPPED.
You also can't really talk about your real-life drama with your viewers since even though their not super young, it can overwhelm them more than a teenager.
Yep, but that's them. They're still going strong, right? I think that if that's what they chose to do and they're doing well, then that's great! It's not for everyone though. Most people get tired of that sort of thing after a while, you can't keep those types of people trapped there forever. Like Twice...they said they switched concepts so they didn't want their fans to get tired of their cuteness but it almost sounded like, to me, that they were burnt out and growing too old to the point where doing cute concepts for most of their songs didn't suit them as much anymore. Wasn't it them that suggested the change, anyway?
Edit: Jihyo said that they suggested it because the members agreed that it was starting to burn them out and they were thinking that fans thought the same way.
Display MoreOkay...I feel like that's a bit different. The younger kids actually probably make the greatest audience
Yeah true. And the way I think that YouTubers probably have it the hardest in this sense is it's something that you can get pretty tired of pretty easily unless your goal is just to make kids happy. But imagine making so much money on it and then it starts becoming something you're not completely interested in anymore. You really can't just make another channel willy nilly because they may be young but (most of them, lol) weren't born yesterday.
There's a Minecraft YouTuber named Logdotzip who caters to kids their age range and monetizes it. He talked about all these as being problems he faced. YouTube Minecraft, there was a period where there was a decrease in both Minecraft viewership and Minecraft YouTubers (until recently pretty much). He also says how the money flow is slower during the school year too. He made another YouTube channel to help him with monetization but it was aimed mostly for teenagers and adults and let me tell you, it FLOPPED.
You also can't really talk about your real-life drama with your viewers since even though their not super young, it can overwhelm them more than a teenager.
Yep, but that's them. They're still going strong, right? I think that if that's what they chose to do and they're doing well, then that's great! It's not for everyone though. Most people get tired of that sort of thing after a while, you can't keep those types of people trapped there forever. Like Twice...they said they switched concepts so they didn't want their fans to get tired of their cuteness but it almost sounded like, to me, that they were burnt out and growing too old to the point where doing cute concepts for most of their songs didn't suit them as much anymore. Wasn't it them that suggested the change, anyway?
Edit: Jihyo said that they suggested it because the members agreed that it was starting to burn them out and they were thinking that fans thought the same way.
if you don't want to be doing the same thing everyday I can't see how that's any different from a non-influencer/YTer person aka a person living in the real world
let's say I was an architect for like 10 years and after that time I want to do something different it's not easy to just change professions and I think those same YTers need to think about those things as well...diversification is very important as a content creator whether it be the content one is creating or the audience or the platform etc etc
for twice for example - maybe it's true that they don't want to do all the cutesy songs and whatnot anymore...that's fine but also by going with a change in direction one has to be aware of the potential consequences from that decision...
if you don't want to be doing the same thing everyday I can't see how that's any different from a non-influencer/YTer person aka a person living in the real world
let's say I was an architect for like 10 years and after that time I want to do something different it's not easy to just change professions and I think those same YTers need to think about those things as well...diversification is very important as a content creator whether it be the content one is creating or the audience or the platform etc etc
for twice for example - maybe it's true that they don't want to do all the cutesy songs and whatnot anymore...that's fine but also by going with a change in direction one has to be aware of the potential consequences from that decision...
But I think with a fanbase, it's harder to change your audience target which are basically the ones that are paying you. I think the difference between a career in stardom and a career like you just listed is that sort of thing. You're going to lose fans and it can be harder to build that fanbase back up aiming for a completely different audience.
If I were to become a YouTuber (random thought but still ties into this), I would be someone who isn't aimed toward any specific type of audience. My content would be something that could please everyone. Like as a gaming YouTuber, I could do games that I want to play or what's popular. Not too childish to annoy the adults and teenagers and not too mature so that kids can still watch my content. And it gives me more freedom than being tied to one specific age group. Like Jacksepticeye...he may cuss but he plays games that would be okay for both the older audience and the younger audience and has a pretty solid fanbase in both areas, being extremely successful.
Yeah. And I wasn't here for it but I absolutely believe they lost some fans who disliked the concept change and stanned Twice for the main purpose that they could do a bright concept the way no one else could quite do it at the time. There are still some ONCE today that talk about how much they miss their frequent releases of brighter songs today. Any true ONCE would understand that they were starting to get older and it would start to become more awkward to keep doing these concepts. And honestly, I think they gained more fans now since I see more people say how much they like their more mature songs better.
But I think with a fanbase, it's harder to change your audience target which are basically the ones that are paying you. I think the difference between a career in stardom and a career like you just listed is that sort of thing. You're going to lose fans and it can be harder to build that fanbase back up aiming for a completely different audience.
If I were to become a YouTuber (random thought but still ties into this), I would be someone who isn't aimed toward any specific type of audience. My content would be something that could please everyone. Like as a gaming YouTuber, I could do games that I want to play or what's popular. Not too childish to annoy the adults and teenagers and not too mature so that kids can still watch my content. And it gives me more freedom than being tied to one specific age group. Like Jacksepticeye...he may cuss but he plays games that would be okay for both the older audience and the younger audience and has a pretty solid fanbase in both areas, being extremely successful.
Yeah. And I wasn't here for it but I absolutely believe they lost some fans who disliked the concept change and stanned Twice for the main purpose that they could do a bright concept the way no one else could quite do it at the time. There are still some ONCE today that talk about how much they miss their frequent releases of brighter songs today. Any true ONCE would understand that they were starting to get older and it would start to become more awkward to keep doing these concepts. And honestly, I think they gained more fans now since I see more people say how much they like their more mature songs better.
whilst true then the question is do you still want to change knowing it could harm your own fandom? it's a trade off between doing something you like v something that will get you $$$$ - even irl there are people that are sick of being a career lawyer/doctor/etc etc and get burnout so they change and go do something less stressful but often less $$$ it's just a consequences of one's own actions...
(I don't know who Jacksepticeye is lol but if he or she he since it's jack??? can have both the fandom and do multiple things great...good for him)
I would agree for the most part...but I never get the gatekeeping for or against certain fans within the fandom...people can stan/fan for a multitude of different reasons...I never disclaim their opinions as to why they would be a once in the first place...if they want to complain complain nicely lol but they still have a right to their opinion since it's what they prefer...obviously if "new" twice isn't something that they like or what they they are free to leave the fandom or remain as the case may be...
whilst true then the question is do you still want to change knowing it could harm your own fandom? it's a trade off between doing something you like v something that will get you $$$$ - even irl there are people that are sick of being a career lawyer/doctor/etc etc and get burnout so they change and go do something less stressful but often less $$$ it's just a consequences of one's own actions...
(I don't know who Jacksepticeye is lol but if he or she he since it's jack??? can have both the fandom and do multiple things great...good for him)
I would agree for the most part...but I never get the gatekeeping for or against certain fans within the fandom...people can stan/fan for a multitude of different reasons...I never disclaim their opinions as to why they would be a once in the first place...if they want to complain complain nicely lol but they still have a right to their opinion since it's what they prefer...obviously if "new" twice isn't something that they like or what they they are free to leave the fandom or remain as the case may be...
I feel like it plays into the whole thing how it's better to do what you love more than doing it for the money. I'll admit, there are probably a lot of people who are trapped in a career because it pays them well and they're qualified for it but their heart isn't completely in it, or at least, not anymore. But if you have the chance and it's not something you enjoy anymore or it's actually affecting you negatively in some way, then I would take it over any currency and fandom.
Let me just be honest and this has been one to grow on. But most people don't care about the content creator and what's going on in their lives. It might actually surprise you that not that many become dedicated fans, buying your merch, checking your uploads/content/music/filmography often, and would actually sympathize with you about your life problems. It's mostly just full of people who like your content and that's it. You see in KPOP how many fans are actually dedicated versus the amount of casual fans and listeners and fandom members who aren't that dedicated? It's not worth it, especially if you're not into it anymore.
You don't know who Jacksepticeye is? The Irish YouTuber? Wow...you really are a boomer... 
Yeah. Well, that's a hard thing to answer because there are so many definitions to what is a stan (specifically a member of the fandom) and just a fan. There are some people, we even see it on this forum, that say when they leave a fandom it's because their music isn't as interesting to them anymore. I see it all the time, probably more than any other reason for leaving a fandom. For some of these people, a single comeback could be the end of their fandom-ship for them (probably most likely to a concept change, experimental sound or a drastic change of sound in general). Or it could be gradual thing...when they start to lose interest throughout the releases and a single comeback could be the breaking point for them.
There were members of the fandom that left after the release of Signal...after the release of More & More because they genuinely disliked the song so much that they didn't know if they could stan them anymore.
Display MoreI feel like it plays into the whole thing how it's better to do what you love more than doing it for the money. I'll admit, there are probably a lot of people who are trapped in a career because it pays them well and they're qualified for it but their heart isn't completely in it, or at least, not anymore. But if you have the chance and it's not something you enjoy anymore or it's actually affecting you negatively in some way, then I would take it over any currency and fandom.
Let me just be honest and this has been one to grow on. But most people don't care about the content creator and what's going on in their lives. It might actually surprise you that not that many become dedicated fans, buying your merch, checking your uploads/content/music/filmography often, and would actually sympathize with you about your life problems. It's mostly just full of people who like your content and that's it. You see in KPOP how many fans are actually dedicated versus the amount of casual fans and listeners and fandom members who aren't that dedicated? It's not worth it, especially if you're not into it anymore.
You don't know who Jacksepticeye is? The Irish YouTuber? Wow...you really are a boomer...
Yeah. Well, that's a hard thing to answer because there are so many definitions to what is a stan (specifically a member of the fandom) and just a fan. There are some people, we even see it on this forum, that say when they leave a fandom it's because their music isn't as interesting to them anymore. I see it all the time, probably more than any other reason for leaving a fandom. For some of these people, a single comeback could be the end of their fandom-ship for them (probably most likely to a concept change, experimental sound or a drastic change of sound in general). Or it could be gradual thing...when they start to lose interest throughout the releases and a single comeback could be the breaking point for them.
There were members of the fandom that left after the release of Signal...after the release of More & More because they genuinely disliked the song so much that they didn't know if they could stan them anymore.
well I think the opposite is true that lots more people work at their job not because they like it but because they have no choice...and for a lot of people they don't have that chance...
true ever heard of the 20/80 rule that 80% of one's sales come from 20% of the customers which is probably similar to content creators...I would love to see how breakdowns of sales for kpop groups and I'm sure companies have that information...
lol
true true...but if they want to go they are free to leave...there's nothing wrong with that...like or not like a group anymore it's one's own choice...
Display Morewell I think the opposite is true that lots more people work at their job not because they like it but because they have no choice...and for a lot of people they don't have that chance...
true ever heard of the 20/80 rule that 80% of one's sales come from 20% of the customers which is probably similar to content creators...I would love to see how breakdowns of sales for kpop groups and I'm sure companies have that information...
lol
true true...but if they want to go they are free to leave...there's nothing wrong with that...like or not like a group anymore it's one's own choice...
Oh yeah, that's what I'm getting at. The thing about being a content creator is it's about your freedom. If you're doing this alone, you're your own boss, you can call the shots. If you want to change content directions or switch focus to another audience, it's not that hard to do. But there are some jobs where you don't get that. You have to do it because you don't really have another choice.
Oooh I remember watching a video on that! I'll send it to you when I can but I thought it was pretty interesting. I'm not completely sure how accurate it is or where their sources were from but it gives you a basic idea. I feel like the only ones truly getting paid a more than decent amount are the ones signed to the big3. I find it sort of sad to hear that there are some idols that don't make a lot (but they are provided with food, a place to live, and basically any other idol needs to live on their own so it's not a super huge deal). And their not to have any part time job of any kind unless their on hiatus (which, I wonder, if companies are obligated to pay for their contractors' hiatuses especially when it's due to injury or damage to mental health and especially when caused by something in the industry). I remember Jeongyeon working somewhere for a little while during her hiatus (which is when she said "they didn't recognize me!")
True. I never really have a problem with someone leaving a fandom. You can say you're an ex-member of a fandom without being toxic. You can still respect the members of the group and their success.
Oh yeah, that's what I'm getting at. The thing about being a content creator is it's about your freedom. If you're doing this alone, you're your own boss, you can call the shots. If you want to change content directions or switch focus to another audience, it's not that hard to do. But there are some jobs where you don't get that. You have to do it because you don't really have another choice.
Oooh I remember watching a video on that! I'll send it to you when I can but I thought it was pretty interesting. I'm not completely sure how accurate it is or where their sources were from but it gives you a basic idea. I feel like the only ones truly getting paid a more than decent amount are the ones signed to the big3. I find it sort of sad to hear that there are some idols that don't make a lot (but they are provided with food, a place to live, and basically any other idol needs to live on their own so it's not a super huge deal). And their not to have any part time job of any kind unless their on hiatus (which, I wonder, if companies are obligated to pay for their contractors' hiatuses especially when it's due to injury or damage to mental health and especially when caused by something in the industry). I remember Jeongyeon working somewhere for a little while during her hiatus (which is when she said "they didn't recognize me!")
True. I never really have a problem with someone leaving a fandom. You can say you're an ex-member of a fandom without being toxic. You can still respect the members of the group and their success.
I can agree with that that content creators have more freedom
not everyone is destined to succeed...like any entertainment circle - some make it others don't...it is what it is...if it's an injury or hiatus that's not a "scandal" then they'll get paid like an employee gets paid if they get sick no? I'm not sure on employment laws as it relates to kpop idols or korea but here in Australia if an employee gets sick then they get sick pay lol...for Jeongyeon I think it wasn't so much she needed the money but she justed wanted to work...
and that's the main thing regardless if one is an ex-fan or new fan or whatever...just learn some damn respect and common sense...
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