Why don't peope understand what global success means?

    I decided to make this thread because I've been seeing more and more people say this when it comes to IVE Spotify charting success and it completely boggles me why.


    The most recent case is being something along the lines of the following: majority or the streams comes from Japan then it "doesn't count".


    Last time I checked, Japan is apart of the globe. And they most definitely do count.


    Korea is the domestic market for Kpop and any country on the map outside of Korea is apart or the global or international market.


    This is pretty basic stuff.


    The people who claim otherwise have the same energy as the Knetz when they drag Blackpink for their SEA success as if SEA people also "don't count".


    If that's the case then sales from China also don't count? Or do they count cause it's convenient?


    I know a lot of people cam be very Eurocentric, but the West isn't the only valid mark for success. It's actually pretty discriminatory toward Asian.

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    Just know those ppl who are coming at Ive for that are insecure. I remember when ppl used to always crap on bp for only sea fans. But now fans want their favs to be popular there.


    Ive is having some crazy success on Spotify, no 4th gen group has seen. 4th gen fans r angry. Everyone though it was gonna be this big 4 group but it ended up being starships new gg


    In the end ive is winning

    Exactly.

    Outside Korea is already global for these groups.

    I've said it before, but there is a lot of lowkey xenophobia in kpop fandoms. The way groups are dragged for being popular in Japan, China, and Southeast Asia unless they're also popular in the US is gross and dismissive.

    the way people claim that going viral in asian countries isn't important and doesn't count as going "global" is so xenophobic.. in attempts to put groups down, people lose their morals

    We've had this convo so many times


    To KPOP stans, popularity is not valid unless it is Korean or western popularity

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    the way people claim that going viral in asian countries isn't important and doesn't count as going "global" is so xenophobic.. in attempts to put groups down, people lose their morals

    Going viral only in Asian countries is not global though. Just like going viral or being popular only in wester countries isn't global either.

    We need to stop calling this xenophobia when people say it's only popular in this one part of a ccountry.

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    Going viral only in Asian countries is not global though. Just like going viral or being popular only in wester countries isn't global either.

    We need to stop calling this xenophobia when people say it's only popular in this one part of a ccountry.

    Just based on the term, no one is globally success lol. It's just a nice coined term to those who are brining in sales from nation that matters.

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    Going viral only in Asian countries is not global though. Just like going viral or being popular only in wester countries isn't global either.

    We need to stop calling this xenophobia when people say it's only popular in this one part of a ccountry.

    If that's what you really believe, then don't use the word global for anyone.

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    If that's what you really believe, then don't use the word global for anyone.

    That is not true. Recent BTS and Blackpink songs did charted in most charts worldwide.

    Lisa money

    LISA - MONEY - Spotify Chart History

    IVE Eleven

    IVE - ELEVEN - Spotify Chart History

    Twice The Feels

    TWICE - The Feels - Spotify Chart History


    See this chart, Global success obviously is Money. I can't even put The Feels as global success either so Eleven is out of the question.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FKKa_DcXMAsQKrx?format=png&name=900x900

    I think there is a noticeable difference between "International Success" and "Global Success" that we'd need to discuss here.


    International success is when there is success "inter-"(between different) "-nationally" (pertaining to the subject of nations)

    International success is when there is success in different countries around the world.


    Global success is when there is success "glob[e]-" (pertaining to the whole globe) "-ally"(the quality of)

    Global success is when there is success across the whole globe, from countries like Djibouti and the Principality of Sealand to the world powers like the US, Russia, China, etc.


    IVE is internationally successful but not globally successful.

    For me : Global means - equally or( close to) successful/known all over the world ( in different continents). Not skewed towards one area of the globe such as SEA or Japan or China or US.

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    the way people claim that going viral in asian countries isn't important and doesn't count as going "global" is so xenophobic.. in attempts to put groups down, people lose their morals

    it's this people that claim 'global' success when it ain't global, just an area of the globe. For example, the act's success is coming from 90% being successful or known in Latin AmericA, can you claim global? No. That heavily skewed.


    Global - is being famous in all or most continents of the world. Example - Middle East, India, Asia, Europe,, US, Oceanica. Not just 1 area of the worlds. Get?

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    it's this people that claim 'global' success when it ain't global, just an area of the globe. For example, the act's success is coming from 90% being successful or known in Latin AmericA, can you claim global? No. That heavily skewed.


    Global - is being famous in all or most continents of the world. Example - Middle East, India, Asia, Europe,, US, Oceanica. Not just 1 area of the worlds. Get?

    Following that logic, some of the biggest acts in the world aren't global because many european countries haven't even heard of them🤷‍♀️

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    Following that logic, some of the biggest acts in the world aren't global because many european countries haven't even heard of them🤷‍♀️

    Yes exactly, that's why that user defined the word global. If global means only nations that benefited from it via sales or marketing, then it's only a nice coined term to assigned to a person that is successful.


    So here you have people take the word globally literally and people who use it to identify 'success'. It hence create a situation where any argues can be made. Oh your artist is globally success, but does an Icelander heard of them? That's not global, etc. lol


    So essentially as long as the popular countries in a continent know of you, you have achieved global success, is what the term is alluding to.

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    Yes exactly, that's why that user defined the word global. If global means only nations that benefited from it via sales or marketing, then it's only a nice coined term to assigned to a person that is successful.


    So here you have people take the word globally literally and people who use it to identify 'success'. It hence create a situation where any argues can be made. Oh your artist is globally success, but does an Icelander heard of them? That's not global, etc. lol


    So essentially as long as the popular countries in a continent know of you, you have achieved global success, is what the term is alluding to.

    No, you guys don't make sense. Globally doesn't mean being known in every single country over the world. It means being well known in countries all over the world, from different continents and all.



    Your logic doesn't make sense because believe it or not, my country (majority) doesn't know who Lady Gaga is. Just because my country doesn't know her does that take away her global singer title?? Just because of one country compared to so many others who do know her?

    Ive definitely has international success, but not global success. Kpop stans just confuse the two for bragging rights

    The US has been the most dominant country in world both economically and culturally since the end of WW2 so being popular there is the most prestigious in the eyes of a lot of people, i'm not saying this is right tho but that's what happens and what i have seem. (Ps. I'm not even from the US).

    I think international success is better term than global success

    i read this as pepe at first lol

    Some already explained it well here. Seeing some success in certain countries besides korea (japan, indonesia, china, etc) is international but not global. Stating factual info ain't being racist or xenophobic.

    if someone says international then yeah that can mean any country other than korea. but with the word global i think the implication is various parts of the world and it just seems wrong to use that word for popularity heavily concentrated in only 1 part of the world

    Blackpink's success isn't just confined to Korea, China and SEA though. Lisa's highest streaming numbers came from the USA.


    If a group is doing amazing in Japan, China, Korea - then they're doing amazing in Asia. But that's not global success. Grab someone in Paris or Auckland and ask them what they think of Eleven by Ive. At least 999 times out of 1000 you'll get a baffled expression. Global hits are known globally. And to this day Gangnam Style is still probably top of the pyramid.

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    Blackpink's success isn't just confined to Korea, China and SEA though. Lisa's highest streaming numbers came from the USA.


    If a group is doing amazing in Japan, China, Korea - then they're doing amazing in Asia. But that's not global success. Grab someone in Paris or Auckland and ask them what they think of Eleven by Ive. At least 999 times out of 1000 you'll get a baffled expression. Global hits are known globally. And to this day Gangnam Style is still probably top of the pyramid.

    True. Even Gangnam Style eclipses any BTS song and that's coming from an ARMY.

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    Blackpink's success isn't just confined to Korea, China and SEA though. Lisa's highest streaming numbers came from the USA.


    If a group is doing amazing in Japan, China, Korea - then they're doing amazing in Asia. But that's not global success. Grab someone in Paris or Auckland and ask them what they think of Eleven by Ive. At least 999 times out of 1000 you'll get a baffled expression. Global hits are known globally. And to this day Gangnam Style is still probably top of the pyramid.

    By that logic the only global Kpop group is Blackpink and BTS.

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    No, you guys don't make sense. Globally doesn't mean being known in every single country over the world. It means being well known in countries all over the world, from different continents and all.



    Your logic doesn't make sense because believe it or not, my country (majority) doesn't know who Lady Gaga is. Just because my country doesn't know her does that take away her global singer title?? Just because of one country compared to so many others who do know her?

    I even typed it out for you. I said some people take the word global literally and goes by the definition, and some people used it to defined by 'success'. I am not saying you're wrong or right, Im saying there's 2 perspective on how people viewed the word globally, jfc lol


    "Globally doesn't mean being known in every single country over the world. It means being well known in countries all over the world, from different continents and all." What?

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    I even typed it out for you. I said some people take the word global literally and goes by the definition, and some people used it to defined by 'success'. I am not saying you're wrong or right, Im saying there's 2 perspective on how people viewed the word globally, jfc lol


    "Globally doesn't mean being known in every single country over the world. It means being well known in countries all over the world, from different continents and all." What?

    What don't you understand? What I am saying is being global means being popular in multiple countries over the world, not being popular in EVERY country over the world.

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    So then SM groups do not have global sucess aside from Red Velvet, EXO, and SNSD?

    Even for those groups I will not call it a global success. The only kpop acts I can say they at least have some sort of global success are PSY, BTS and BP respectively.

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    What don't you understand? What I am saying is being global means being popular in multiple countries over the world, not being popular in EVERY country over the world.

    Global means worldwide for better understanding. So if your fave’s success doesn’t feel global, then it’s just international success

    some of you are way too illogical to be dealt with

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    What don't you understand? What I am saying is being global means being popular in multiple countries over the world, not being popular in EVERY country over the world.

    jfc the sentences you posted before and this one is not the same. Globally does not mean being famous in every single country; ok yes, understandable, but then you said it means being famous in countries ALL over the world. The world includes all and every country, not just selected few. Your second sentence makes more sense because you defined globally as being famous in MULTIPLE countries in every continent rather than EVERY country in every continent, and this point is why there are another group of people saying that this definition doesn't fit the term globally as it does not include every country. And that's exactly what I was trying to say prior, some people took the literally definition and said it has to be every country, some people measure it in term of success to countries that contribute revenue or well known countries.


    And Im just telling you there's 2 ways people are interpreting the word. Did I hit a nerve saying your favs not being global or something cause im pretty sure i didnt name drop anyone. For the last time, Im not saying you're wrong or anyone is wrong, Im saying there are 2 groups of people in this thread defining the world globally.

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    jfc the sentences you posted before and this one is not the same. Globally does not mean being famous in every single country; ok yes, understandable, but then you said it means being famous in countries ALL over the world. The world includes all and every country, not just selected few. Your second sentence makes more sense because you defined globally as being famous in MULTIPLE countries in every continent rather than EVERY country in every continent, and this point is why there are another group of people saying that this definition doesn't fit the term globally as it does not include every country. And that's exactly what I was trying to say prior, some people took the literally definition and said it has to be every country, some people measure it in term of success to countries that contribute revenue or well known countries.


    And Im just telling you there's 2 ways people are interpreting the word. Did I hit a nerve saying your favs not being global or something cause im pretty sure i didnt name drop anyone. For the last time, Im not saying you're wrong or anyone is wrong, Im saying there are 2 groups of people in this thread defining the world globally.

    I suppose you're not fluent in English and that's why you wrote that whole essay thinking that I keep switching narratives.


    Yes, I said it's being famous in countries ALL over the world. All over the world means - in multiple places across the globe, in every part of the world (example: being known in countries in all the continents). That's what is the meaning of saying "all over the world". It does not mean I am saying ALL COUNTRIES, you misunderstood. It's not my fault you didn't get the term I used which is pretty common

    The only thing I got from this thread is that either most idols (Including IVE) are globally successful or no idols are beside Blackpink and BTS, making the whole attempt at trying to dismiss IVE success on Spotify invalid.


    Either they all successful or none of them are. :watt: :watt:

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    Just know those ppl who are coming at Ive for that are insecure. I remember when ppl used to always crap on bp for only sea fans. But now fans want their favs to be popular there.


    Ive is having some crazy success on Spotify, no 4th gen group has seen. 4th gen fans r angry. Everyone though it was gonna be this big 4 group but it ended up being starships new gg


    In the end ive is winning

    it never made sense that people came for bp they are popular in SEA, China, Brazil, Mexico and US to some extent and I guess some western countries in the kpop niche.

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