Has any group ever maximized their potential?

Maximized their potential as in going beyond their ceiling?

Of course, BTS. But the funny thing is that they have done so many times that we don't even know what their ceiling is anymore.

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Maximized their potential as in going beyond their ceiling?

Of course, BTS. But the funny thing is that they have done so many times that we don't even know what their ceiling is anymore.

Someone’s potential is technically their ceiling…. that’s why this question is kind of difficult to answer.

BTS have already achieved so many things but I still think we will be in for a surprise this year. People are already anticipating for their new album. I'm also expecting a lot of of individual work from each member. The opening of their instagram account is just beginning.

I know that the impact of Dynamite era is hard to surprass. We'll see when they have their comeback.

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I mean even if idols were given the freedom to do any of those things you listed, I highly doubt all of them would excel in it. Most may not even care to write or produce their own music.

i didn't say they'll excel in it. there are many many many different factors responsible for someone's success. i'm talking about the opportunities and freedom they're given - something most idols don't have, which combined with all the other factors is the reason for them to be so popular and to achieve their max potential as musicians

hm maybe BIG BANG

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Someone’s potential is technically their ceiling…. that’s why this question is kind of difficult to answer.

i think you're being too technical about this phrase lol. i think of it like, "has a group/the company done everything they can and expended all possible resources to to be successful". the potential in question here is the potential to grow, not the growth ceiling itself. i don't think there's much more bts could do that they havent already done to exponentially grow their success. their success just keeps growing bc of seeds they've already laid and things they were already doing that they continue to do.

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I was alluding to western validation.

Western validation? Even BTS doesn’t exactly have “western validation”. Despite them having major success they aren’t respected and seen as top tier artists in the west. They’re fandom is what keeps them in the spotlight but beyond their fandom, not like the general public see them as legitimate artists.

Also kpop will NEVER have western validation simply because they sing in Korean. Just because BTS has become the biggest kpop group in the West doesn’t mean any and every group in kpop can and will be able to reach this level. And that’s the sad truth that kpop fans need to realize.

Someone mentioned YG in here. CL literally tried to have a US career that flopped before it even began. Furthermore BB and 2ne1 were notorious for appropriating black culture and pandered on what they thought westerners would love yet most of their fans weren’t even from the West. So yes, they reached their potential in this sense.

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i think you're being too technical about this phrase lol. i think of it like, "has a group/the company done everything they can and expended all possible resources to to be successful". the potential in question here is the potential to grow, not the growth ceiling itself. i don't think there's much more bts could do that they havent already done to exponentially grow their success. their success just keeps growing bc of seeds they've already laid and things they were already doing that they continue to do.

If we’re talking about success then yes BTS is literally the only group that probably has room to grow.

People here are kidding themselves if they think any and every kpop group would have been able to reach this level of success in the west by allowing members to have more freedom and what not. Not like the western market embraced BTS for their song writing skills and producing skills. Their biggest hit here (Dynamite) wasn’t even written or produced by the members or Koreans.

Whether kpop fans like it or not, BTS’ western success is a literal phenomenon. It’s not like they purposely tried to have a US career, unlike some other artists who tried and failed.

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If we’re talking about success then yes BTS is literally the only group that probably has room to grow.

People here are kidding themselves if they think any and every kpop group would have been able to reach this level of success in the west by allowing members to have more freedom and what not. Not like the western market embraced BTS for their song writing skills and producing skills. Their biggest hit here (Dynamite) wasn’t even written or produced by the members or Koreans.

Whether kpop fans like it or not, BTS’ western success is a literal phenomenon. It’s not like they purposely tried to have a US career, unlike some other artists who tried and failed.

uh i agree but i don't think anyone is trying to say that. the point is that many kpop companies did not expend every possible avenue to make their groups as successful as they possibly could have been . that entails more than just letting them song write but includes actual promotion on the company's part. i whole heartedly agree bts is a special case, but that means you have to scale down what we're actually talking about here. other groups have their own potential completely separate from comparisons of what bts has done. someone mentioned on the first page that they think bp could have been bigger. thats what we're talking about. groups being bigger relative to themselves, not relative to bts.

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uh i agree but i don't think anyone is trying to say that. the point is that many kpop companies did not expend every possible avenue to make their groups as successful as they possibly could have been . that entails more than just letting them song write but includes actual promotion on the company's part. i whole heartedly agree bts is a special case, but that means you have to scale down what we're actually talking about here. other groups have their own potential completely separate from comparisons of what bts has done. someone mentioned on the first page that they think bp could have been bigger. thats what we're talking about. groups being bigger relative to themselves, not relative to bts.

Sure Blackpink could be bigger. But every group could be bigger. So this topic is literally just a namedrop your fave thread just cause.

Someone literally just said western validation. Which I don’t get…. Aespa, Twice, and Blackpink all have done US interviews and performances so obviously promoting wasn’t a problem. If the western market wanted them then they could have been invited to more shows, but they didn’t because there wasn’t even the fanbase to begin with to warrant further invitations.

People don’t understand companies don’t pay US shows to interview groups, it’s the other way. So whether YG or other companies wanted, it’s not like they can ask tv shows to feature groups for promotion.

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