Tiananmen Square museum in Hong Kong shut after three days

  • A museum in Hong Kong commemorating the 1989 massacre in China’s Tiananmen Square has shut just three days after opening.


    Hong Kong was the last place on Chinese soil where the ruling Communist Party's deadly attack on protesters in the Beijing square was commemorated with candlelight vigils and other events.


    But authorities have banned public ceremonies for the second year amid a campaign by China to crush pro-democracy activism in the territory.

    Organisers of the June 4 Museum said it closed on Wednesday after authorities investigated whether it had licenses to conduct public exhibitions.


    The Hong Kong Alliance of Patriotic Democratic Movements of China said it wanted to protect staff and visitors while the group sought legal advice.


    Public memorials to the incident have long been banned on the mainland. Relatives of people who were killed in the crackdown often are detained or harassed by authorities ahead of the anniversary.


    The group, which has in previous years organised candlelight vigils in Hong Kong attended by thousands of people, said the museum received more than 550 visitors since it opened on Sunday.


    Pro-democracy activists have been sentenced to prison under a national security law imposed following anti-government protests that began in 2019.


    In past years, thousands of people gathered in Hong Kong’s Victoria Park to light candles and sing in memory of people killed when the military attacked protesters in and around Tiananmen Square, killing hundreds and possibly thousands of people.


    Hong Kong authorities have banned the vigil for the second consecutive year, citing social distancing restrictions and public health risks from the coronavirus pandemic.


    Critics say authorities use the pandemic as an excuse to silence pro-democracy voices in Hong Kong.


    Last year, thousands gathered in Victoria Park despite the ban and police warnings.


    Weeks later, more than 20 activists who took part in the vigil were arrested. This year, organisers have urged residents to mark June 4 by lighting a candle wherever they are.

  • https://www.qiaocollective.com…tion/tiananmenreadinglist


    Claims of deaths came years after the protests. At the time, including reports from American reporters who were present DURING the protests, found there was no military or police violence, and no deaths.


    https://archives.cjr.org/behin…the_myth_of_tiananmen.php

    https://worldaffairs.blog/2019…ction-and-propaganda/amp/


    Even a WikiLeaks reveal, which are well known for exposing Government secrets, could find NO evidence of a massacre: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/ne…-Square-cables-claim.html


    Also from the Japan Times, worth noting Japan is historically Anti-China, but had a delegation present in Tiananmen when the protests happened, and so were able to comment on the issue pretty well: https://www.japantimes.co.jp/o…d-tiananmen/#.XqcbqmAkphG


    Fabricating a massacre at Tiananmen is just abhorrent. Perhaps the Government should not have shut down the protests, I agree, but to claim there was a massacre just to paint a negative picture of the Government, is throwing across the message as though protestors should have died for it to be a real protest.


    A Spanish film crew filmed the entire protests and released them in a documentary, including when the square was cleared. They filmed and saw no murder, no brutality and no deaths;

    • External Content www.youtube.com
      Content embedded from external sources will not be displayed without your consent.
      Through the activation of external content, you agree that personal data may be transferred to third party platforms. We have provided more information on this in our privacy policy.
    • External Content www.youtube.com
      Content embedded from external sources will not be displayed without your consent.
      Through the activation of external content, you agree that personal data may be transferred to third party platforms. We have provided more information on this in our privacy policy.

    From NYTimes: https://www.washingtonpost.com…7/14/gIQAhF1MEI_blog.html


    The Protest Leader stating she wished the Chinese Government killed protestors to help promote their movement, and that she was frustrated they reacted peacefully to the protests:

    External Content www.youtube.com
    Content embedded from external sources will not be displayed without your consent.
    Through the activation of external content, you agree that personal data may be transferred to third party platforms. We have provided more information on this in our privacy policy.


    The Protest Leader asking protestors to incite violence, in the hopes the police would respond violently:

    External Content www.youtube.com
    Content embedded from external sources will not be displayed without your consent.
    Through the activation of external content, you agree that personal data may be transferred to third party platforms. We have provided more information on this in our privacy policy.


    The man who took the Tank Man photo, also said there was no massacre, his name is Garou Hidalgo


    CBS News: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/t…nmen-square-massacre/#app

    ZKMUJeg.gif

    Edited 2 times, last by Yan20 ().

  • Are we arguing over whether it should be classified as a massacre or not, or are you claiming no one died?

  • Are we arguing over whether it should be classified as a massacre or not, or are you claiming no one died?

    Nobody died AT Tiananmen Square. There were between 200-300 casualties over the protests across the entire country, with roughly 220 of them being police officers and soldiers: https://www.counterpunch.org/2…nmen-the-empires-big-lie/


    The students in other parts of the country were often violent and ruthless. The fake narrative that his was about "freedom, and democracy" is atrocious.


    Soldiers were unarmed, and a Government document leak by WikiLeaks revealed that although the military wanted to use weapons, the Government strictly BANNED the military from firing guns at students

    img_4658



    Nobody expected the protests to escalate like they did, soldiers and protesters exchanged food, had singing competitions and danced together in the streets. The deaths that did occur are due to a US CIA Operation, called Operation Yellowbird, in which the CIA paid militarists in China to shoot at police, in exchange for their extradition to America.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Yellowbird

    ZKMUJeg.gif

    Edited once, last by superyeah: Moderator's note: Due to the graphic nature of an image, it was edited out. ().

  • Are we arguing over whether it should be classified as a massacre or not, or are you claiming no one died?

    Its a ccp troll. its not worth arguing with it. No matter what you say to it. Its going to bulls*** their way into making the ccp look good. Even if it means screaming absurd lies while video evidence exists lol


    no one with a sane mind actually thinks a dictatorship that is afraid of free speech and constantly censors people is good for the world

  • Its a ccp troll. its not worth arguing with it. No matter what you say to it. Its going to bulls*** their way into making the ccp look good. Even if it means screaming absurd lies while video evidence exists lol


    no one with a sane mind actually thinks a dictatorship that is afraid of free speech and constantly censors people is good for the world

    I sent the video evidence.

  • From what i’m seeing, it looked like very little if any deaths actually happened at Tiananmen Square, but in the surrounding streets after/during the crackdown.


    Also i love how you completely placing blame on the US which is kinda negating your other points by making you look like a propagandist. Not questioning the validating of Operation Yellowbird but that compressing a very complex event (from what i’ve read) into purely America paid chinese militants to fight so they could be extradited sounds loony.


    It’s not like, China has a real dissent problem and fighting broke out because of that. But no, just blame America. Both can be correct, but your ruining your argument for acting like China was 100% squeaky clean.

  • From what i’m seeing, it looked like very little if any deaths actually happened at Tiananmen Square, but in the surrounding streets after/during the crackdown.


    Also i love how you completely placing blame on the US which is kinda negating your other points by making you look like a propagandist. Not questioning the validating of Operation Yellowbird but that compressing a very complex event (from what i’ve read) into purely America paid chinese militants to fight so they could be extradited sounds loony.


    It’s not like, China has a real dissent problem and fighting broke out because of that. But no, just blame America. Both can be correct, but your ruining your argument for acting like China was 100% squeaky clean.

    If China had a real dissent problem, it would be a recurring issue. Not, days of peaceful protests followed by a very sudden escalation in violence, that immediately died out of after protest leaders were extradited, and then came fabrication about a massacre at the square.


    Every document that has been leaked, ever Government communication that was revealed by Wikileaks, shows it was a sudden and very unexpected escalation. Normally Governments are on top of movements of dissent, they have access to a wealth of information on them. How did this slip through the cracks?


    And why would there be such a huge fabrication of claims concerning a massacre? Shouldn't people be celebrating the fact there was no massacre?


    Although I understand your point, and take it on board.

  • China STILL has a dissent problem, are you living in another world? Hong Kong? Taiwan?


    They are a oppressive state. China would have a dissent problem right now with Uyghurs if they weren’t institutionalizing the population, so i’m sorry if it’s believable that China cracked down hard enough on the dissenters that they stopped.

  • China STILL has a dissent problem, are you living in another world? Hong Kong? Taiwan?


    They are a oppressive state. China would have a dissent problem right now with Uyghurs if they weren’t institutionalizing the population, so i’m sorry if it’s believable that China cracked down hard enough on the dissenters that they stopped.

    Hong Kong was also a small US backed protest movement, that has pretty much ended? And was also the fault of the British. Had Hong Kong never been stolen from China, it would not have existed.


    Uyghurs are a free minority, living happy lives all over China. in Xinjiang there is a high Government satisfaction rate. The West has decided that Xinjiang is their new target of propaganda.

  • Uyghurs are a free minority, living happy lives all over China. in Xinjiang there is a high Government satisfaction rate. The West has decided that Xinjiang is their new target of propaganda

    Ok your just showing your are divorced from reality and i’m wasting my time.

  • No, I am not. Being divorced from reality is accepting whatever you are told about a country you have never been too. The Xinjiang debacle is 2003 "Iraq has WMDs" all over again.

    There are Chinese Uyghurs who have escaped and state they’ve had no communication with loved ones in the region and have no idea if they are alive or not.


    There is a ton of independent journalist reporting this. Not to mention videos of young men being taken at night in Xinjiang. I could go on and on.


    Not to mention, the near police state that they live under, with video of all the security cameras and police littering the street.

  • There are Chinese Uyghurs who have escaped and state they’ve had no communication with loved ones in the region and have no idea if they are alive or not.


    There is a ton of independent journalist reporting this. Not to mention videos of young men being taken at night in Xinjiang. I could go on and on.

    And I could debunk all of it. But the simplest possible evidence to exist, is that during the Myanmar Rohingya genocide crisis, that only effected 300,000 Muslims, there was a HUGE displacement issue. People fled, hundreds of thousands of people.


    The Xinjiang "crisis", affecting over half of its population, has lead to some dozens of individuals, somehow being able to escape camps where people go to "die" and flee? No mass displacement? No movement of people out of the region?

  • And I could debunk all of it. But the simplest possible evidence to exist, is that during the Myanmar Rohingya genocide crisis, that only effected 300,000 Muslims, there was a HUGE displacement issue. People fled, hundreds of thousands of people.


    The Xinjiang "crisis", affecting over half of its population, has lead to some dozens of individuals, somehow being able to escape camps where people go to "die" and flee? No mass displacement? No movement of people out of the region?

    Your conflating two different things tho. It’s a genocide versus mass-imprisonment, forced labor, and a police state to squash dissent. The Myanmar military was burning whole villages to the ground, the Rohingya had a choice of staying without a home with a chance of being killed or fleeing.


    China’s goal is to reform the Uyghurs and to do so quietly. They aren’t mass slaughtering them and burning homes. They are abducting, imprisoning, and forcing compliance as the only avenue for release.

  • Your conflating two different things tho. It’s a genocide versus mass-imprisonment, forced labor, and a police state to squash dissent. The Myanmar military was burning whole villages to the ground, the Rohingya had a choice of staying without a home with a chance of being killed or fleeing.


    China’s goal is to reform the Uyghurs and to do so quietly. They aren’t mass slaughtering them and burning homes. They are abducting, imprisoning, and forcing compliance as the only avenue for release.

    But they're not. There is no evidence of concentration camps, no evidence of forced labour, no evidence of mass imprisonment. The Uyghur population is growing.


    And, you seriously think that people still wouldn't flee a life of mass imprisonment?

  • Soldiers were unarmed, and a Government document leak by WikiLeaks revealed that although the military wanted to use weapons, the Government strictly BANNED the military from firing guns at students

    External Content www.youtube.com
    Content embedded from external sources will not be displayed without your consent.
    Through the activation of external content, you agree that personal data may be transferred to third party platforms. We have provided more information on this in our privacy policy.

Participate now!

Don’t have an account yet? Register yourself now and be a part of our community!