What the hell is the father doing?

This little experiment is blowing up before our very eyes. Hope everyone wore their safety goggles.

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Another victim to cover up Bango's quiet case. 1 GG member leaving a HYBE group.

1.Garam

2.Youngseo

3.Danielle

4.Manon(?)

Poor girls..

If he is this shameless on sns, imagine how unhinged he is b t s. This whole mess just sparks negatively for Daniella and her family bc their "problems" are known by the fans, the family is messy.

Unfortunately Manon stans weren't wrong about some things...

That stuff is one thing.

This is on another level.

Apparently she doesn't follow him. Probably better to ignore him and assume he doesn't have any insider information, he's just.. a weirdo.. to put it mildly...

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This whole mess just sparks negatively for Daniella and her family bc their "problems" are known by the fans, the family is messy.

I'm listening. Spill the tea.

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That stuff is one thing.

This is on another level.

Apparently she doesn't follow him. Probably better to ignore him and assume he doesn't have any insider information, he's just.. a weirdo.. to put it mildly...

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What in the unholy hell?

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I'm listening. Spill the tea.

Thanksgiving day everybody in Daniella's house minus Manon, Daniella publicly hanging out with a girl who "bullied" Manon in their survival show. Actually the instances of Manon being "excluded" since survival show are quite real compared to k-pop fans conspiracy theories....

Where the hell is Hybe's PR team

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Thanksgiving day everybody in Daniella's house minus Manon, Daniella publicly hanging out with a girl who "bullied" Manon in their survival show. Actually the instances of Manon being "excluded" since survival show are quite real compared to k-pop fans conspiracy theories....

I think there's always chemistry issue with western groups that are created from survival shows. There's always rifts and most usually joined for a solo career and not to be apart of a group. I think most stick with the group because it's a platform to have a solo career. It's clear there's a rift with the group and I think it's most likely a feud between Daniela and Manon. I remember when they debuted those 2 were close. THen sometime last year they stopped doing challenges together and her hanging out with a person who bullied her is shady.

Now I'm definitely on Manon's side wth

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That stuff is one thing.

This is on another level.

Apparently she doesn't follow him. Probably better to ignore him and assume he doesn't have any insider information, he's just.. a weirdo.. to put it mildly...

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this is messy.

really REALLY messy.

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I think there's always chemistry issue with western groups that are created from survival shows. There's always rifts and most usually joined for a solo career and not to be apart of a group. I think most stick with the group because it's a platform to have a solo career. It's clear there's a rift with the group and I think it's most likely a feud between Daniela and Manon. I remember when they debuted those 2 were close. THen sometime last year they stopped doing challenges together and her hanging out with a person who bullied her is shady.

I think another factor is that for Korean idol groups, usually (not always, I know), the debuted idols will have known each other for at least two years. They would have trained together, and undertaken many assessed group projects together. Their team-working performance and chemistry can be assessed when the company is forming the group.

With both Katseye and VCHA/Girlset, the members were almost strangers, weren't they? I think? The company couldn't assess their teamwork before choosing the members.

(idk if y'all followed the VCHA cluster but it eventually transpired that there was a major rift between KG and the rest of the girls)

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I think another factor is that for Korean idol groups, usually (not always, I know), the debuted idols will have known each other for at least two years. They would have trained together, and undertaken many assessed group projects together. Their team-working performance and chemistry can be assessed when the company is forming the group.

With both Katseye and VCHA/Girlset, the members were almost strangers, weren't they? I think? The company couldn't assess their teamwork before choosing the members.

(idk if y'all followed the VCHA cluster but it eventually transpired that there was a major rift between KG and the rest of the girls)

this is why survival shows should be banned

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I think another factor is that for Korean idol groups, usually (not always, I know), the debuted idols will have known each other for at least two years. They would have trained together, and undertaken many assessed group projects together. Their team-working performance and chemistry can be assessed when the company is forming the group.

With both Katseye and VCHA/Girlset, the members were almost strangers, weren't they? I think? The company couldn't assess their teamwork before choosing the members.

(idk if y'all followed the VCHA cluster but it eventually transpired that there was a major rift between KG and the rest of the girls)

I think the reason why it might work better in Korea because most likely trained together and culture. I think training for groups is more the norm there compared to western countries where it’s more about individualism when it comes to music. Plus, if there’s a successful group in North America or Europe there was most likely prior history, so chemistry is there

I followed some of vcha but don’t know the full details . I just know it was a mess with the group composition with the age gap between the members. So, it was never going to work with the original lineup

I just don’t think you can throw a group together in North America and Europe because every single one of them had drama because different ambitions. Most usually go on these shows to launch solo career, so there’s always going to be jealousy, resentment, and in-house fighting between members. I think with social media being as strong as it is today dans can easily pick up when there’s a rift between members. This happened with both kpop and western groups

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I think the reason why it might work better in Korea because most likely trained together and culture. I think training for groups is more the norm there compared to western countries where it’s more about individualism when it comes to music. Plus, if there’s a successful group in North America or Europe there was most likely prior history, so chemistry is there

I followed some of vcha but don’t know the full details . I just know it was a mess with the group composition with the age gap between the members. So, it was never going to work with the original lineup

I just don’t think you can throw a group together in North America and Europe because every single one of them had drama because different ambitions. Most usually go on these shows to launch solo career, so there’s always going to be jealousy, resentment, and in-house fighting between members. I think with social media being as strong as it is today dans can easily pick up when there’s a rift between members. This happened with both kpop and western groups

What I'm getting at is that if they did these Western groups in the exact same way as the Korean groups, IE, you have 50 trainees, and over a period of many many years, they're whittled down a team of, say, 5 that can debut in a group... Well, that group is probably less likely to implode: They've already been working together for years, and the survivorship bias has whittled away all those who didn't have iron-clad commitment.

So I'm saying it's not necessarily cultural, it may be that the differing material circumstances in the creation of global vs. Korean groups that lead to the former being more combustible.

Whether that is "good" or "desirable" is another question entirely, which I will dodge.

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What I'm getting at is that if they did these Western groups in the exact same way as the Korean groups, IE, you have 50 trainees, and over a period of many many years, they're whittled down a team of, say, 5 that can debut in a group... Well, that group is probably less likely to implode: They've already been working together for years, and the survivorship bias has whittled away all those who didn't have iron-clad commitment.

So I'm saying it's not necessarily cultural, it may be that the differing material circumstances in the creation of global vs. Korean groups that lead to the former being more combustible.

Whether that is "good" or "desirable" is another question entirely, which I will dodge.

Didn’t some of the older groups like nsync have an extensive training period before debut ? Maybe I’m wrong but i feel there’s different ambition because in the western industry there’s option to use as platform to launch solo careers.

In kpop it doesn’t feel it’s worth doing that since most are better off in a group since most stop following it an idol goes solo

I am glad I got out of katseye during manon's previous hiatus. Whole thing including fandom rubbed me the wrong way. Otherwise, I would be a crying mess now. She is my bias😑

Last 2 months whenever I somehow saw anything related to katseye, I observed that their fandom either hate the girls or majority of them are hardcore solos who does not like other members. Thats why there is so much hate from inside the fandom.

Anyways, what can we say. If you are making a western group and training them harshly in a kpop way, such things are bound to happen 😒. Hybe should have just focused on giving them good songs and let their vocals shine.

They have shitty songs with hardass choreography which needs harsh training, and If I am in physical fatigue, I ends up fighting with my whole family, So how can I judge the members for having supposed infighting and disagreements.

If I was hybe and wants the group to survive long time, I would make them sit & talk, lessen their choreography, give them good songs, good breaks because kpop training is just inhuman. It will automatically just releive their stress & fatigue and resolve the weird competition going on b/w group. They will go long time with this way because mostly western music industry does not care about how hardly you are breaking your joints during dance. Thats upon the assumption they want it to solve😒🙄

I also think more group content would help feelings of competition. Like jeyi already said, trainees already train for literal years together so that feeling of competition has lessened to more of "lets survive this together."

but even after a group is formed, theres variety show content helps them to actually understand each other and interact carefreely outside of just "sing your lines bitch." i can look at katseye and tell that they ALL dont really spend much time with each other outside of the bts of music vids, interviews, etc.

and like, ill bring up svt to say that they are some of the few kpop groups with ACTUAL chemistry between the members not only because they basically grew up together but also because of GoSev that strengthened that bond.