is tvxq first gen or second gen?

2nd

I consider them early 2nd gen but some say they are 1st

I think they started 2nd gen

I think TVXQ is roughly a 2nd gen group.

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I think TVXQ is roughly a 2nd gen group.

I consider them second gen

2nd. i mean i wouldnt really compare h.o.t and groups like that with tvxq. they are really early for a 2nd gen group

although i did see someone say that groups like 2ne1, tvxq, suju etc were 3rd gen so um

I would consider them 2nd gen

I thought they were 4th gen

they have debuted at the end of 1st gen, but their main competitors are 2nd gen groups so 2nd gen