Why do charts matter so much to k-pop fans when talking about success?

The only thing that matter is that Day6 is the best

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Imagine complaining about the metrics K-Pop companies and idols themselves use to measure their success and impact.

You kids need to stop crying. You are not REQUIRED to participate in this threads.

Go discuss airport fashion, choreography, song choice, group dynamics or any other topic under the sun and make your own threads if that's what you want to ****ing talk about.

Stop coming to threads and then *****ing and moaning as if you're being forced at gun point to read every post.

This is a YOU problem. Even with this mother ****ing content policing.

I'm going to make ten more success oriented threads next week.

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Imagine complaining about the metrics K-Pop companies and idols themselves use to measure their success and impact.

You kids need to stop crying. You are not REQUIRED to participate in this threads.

Go discuss airport fashion, choreography, song choice, group dynamics or any other topic under the sun and make your own threads if that's what you want to ****ing talk about.

Stop coming to threads and then *****ing and moaning as if you're being forced at gun point to read every post.

This is a YOU problem. Even with this mother ****ing content policing.

I'm going to make ten more success oriented threads next week.

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Make sure to include the most successful BG and GG which is Day6

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I have said it before, I don't understand this obsession with charts and "achivements" and constant "who is more successful" etc.

I think most Kpop fans that start listening to Kpop don't care much.

They love this new hobby and then "hey, this cool group is doing quite well."

Then they encounter some dumb antis that try to drag this new group you like using stats, and so it begins....

Uhm, I think it's hypocrite to start shaming fans for talking about charts and using it as a way to measure success when I've seen COUNTLESS IDOLS asking fans to make them #1 on several charts, to make them win several awards, etc.

It's important for the companies, the idols and by consequence it'll be important for fans.

Some groups are heavily impacted by charts, specially some ggs, and thanks to good charting they could get CFS, appear on tv, build their career so trying to ignore charts as if it isn't that important or necessary in some cases is just ridiculous.

Sure, fanwars are annoying, but that's on us to participate or ignore.

In kpop or maybe all stan culture, not sure, I think the fans identify and to a certain extent feel validated by their faves "accomplishments". That's why anything that can be measured will be used to demonstrate their success, that's why you have things like 1st girl group to chart on a Wednesday after supper in Madagascar.

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Uhm, I think it's hypocrite to start shaming fans for talking about charts and using it as a way to measure success when I've seen COUNTLESS IDOLS asking fans to make them #1 on several charts, to make them win several awards, etc.

It's important for the companies, the idols and by consequence it'll be important for fans.

Some groups are heavily impacted by charts, specially some ggs, and thanks to good charting they could get CFS, appear on tv, build their career so trying to ignore charts as if it isn't that important or necessary in some cases is just ridiculous.

Sure, fanwars are annoying, but that's on us to participate or ignore.

I agree. Charts and sales too are important, BUT not for the fans! Many of them acting as if it's their own achievements.

Pretty much every group relies on the general public when it comes to charting. That's why most groups lose their Charting power after 6-7 years or so.

It would be a big ass lie if anyone says they don't care about charts, everyone does, even Idols, it's their job, the real problem is their fans use it to trash other groups. Also, many people use it as an argument for saying the better charting song is actually a better song as well. Now, that's the most annoying argument about Charts I hate the most.

I don’t think it’s that deep, it’s just a good talking point which is why it generates so much discussion.

The charts bring us all together and give us something to talk about. They help us quantify our lived in experiences with empirical numbers. If there were no charts, how else do K-pop groups interact with each other on a regular basis? The main interaction they have with each other is their relative positions on the charts as they move up and down.

It’s simple, charting = relevancy and interest in groups/soloist/artist not just in kpop but everywhere.

You think Michael Jackson, Beyoncé, Mariah Carey, Rihanna and more would be legends/ icons if they couldn’t chart the reason they become legendary icons is because they were consistently hitting 1s with great longevity. The same is applied in K-pop just more toxic but still holds true

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I mean don't get me wrong charts do matter.

It's the over-prioritization on the fans' part that I'm inquiring about.

I'll give you an example. Very recently, I saw someone claim that a group was unsuccessful simply because they don't chart. Despite the fact that they are on tour and doing quite well and plus, they have good sales.

Somehow all of that got ignored just because of charts even though both generate way more money than topping charts would. It just doesn't make sense to me.

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The same user said about them being a top group above others bc ironically it was their charting who made them the top gg initially and now they are nowhere in the charting convo.

As I said all metrics matter, but till this day members of this group talk about their wishes and charting high is still a dream of their own.

Kpop fans in general tend to exaggerate in all debates regarding all subjects. Charts are just more talked bc you either is butthurt bc your faves don't have it or you are over delusional bc your faves have it.

It's not only charts, they can fight about talent, visuals music etc. Maybe on akp people are only talking about charts. I don't know what drives people to fight over charts or visuals or anything about their faves on the internet for hours.

And it's only top group fans fighting over it... Like these groups are fighting for their survival or budget from big4 companies...

chart success is usually one thing to ensure your fave remain relevant and wont get cut by company. Then wr have CF, album sales, tour etc

This is a commercial industry not charity. If they dont care about success and profits, why other things they care?