Sooo is any of New Jeans 'achievements' real?

Pretty much yes, with the whole hybe vs ador flooding so much info most people didn't consider what the whole 100k sajaegi suggestion from bsh to mhj means, they are both basically like mafia leaders trying to betray each other by revealing info they know that don't affect too much their own images, mhj revealed that because it made her look better than bsh, but the extend of hybe fraudulence is way deeper.

100k albums is almost 2 million dollars, for a company to think so lightly to expend that much money in rigging sales is insane, that's a mid tier group whole comeback era from music video to promotions, now imagine how much money is hybe willingly to spend manipulating spotify numbers and other chart positions.

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I am talking about HYBE as a whole not just BTS. You are asking for clarification on something that is not needed. TWS, Lesserafim, Seventeen, BTS, Illit, they all do the same shady tricks.

what shady tricks are you talking about, random pcs? fancalls and fansigns? please point me to a thing that SM doesn't also do

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Pretty much yes, with the whole hybe vs ador flooding so much info most people didn't consider what the whole 100k sajaegi suggestion from bsh to mhj means, they are both basically like mafia leaders trying to betray each other by revealing info they know that don't affect too much their own images, mhj revealed that because it made her look better than bsh, but the extend of hybe fraudulence is way deeper.

100k albums is almost 2 million dollars, for a company to think so lightly to expend that much money in rigging sales is insane, that's a mid tier group whole comeback era from music video to promotions, now imagine how much money is hybe willingly to spend manipulating spotify numbers and other chart positions.

the 100k is probably something that ALL companies do (especially the ones that have 300k+ sales on the 6th day of tracking like it happened to some bgs last year). like mhj indicated this was an industry practice. basically the stores/vendors doing those fancalls/fansigns deals. and hybe responded by doing an inventory about the algums that were returned during a full year (140k max). also, mhj had no receipts of said convo and hybe still confirmed something was talked about.

you are talking about a person that in the same email complained about lsfm getting a LVMH contract, she's not a serious person.

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You know what bothers me the most, is y'all act like BTS and every other HYBE group haven't cheated in the entertainment business. Even if New Jeans did cheat, what did y'all expect? they are from HYBE, who are known to manipulate charts and inflate sales in ways that are not organic.

So why is everything always New Jeans fault? let's face it, Ador being with Hybe was a double-edged sword, HYBE got new jeans started but without Min Heejin they would've gone nowhere musically. That's exactly why they stole her entire art direction for Illit. She is a creative woman, they cannot replicate that artificially.

Except MHJ plagiarized Jeans (the Mexican group), Speed (a Japanese group), Pace, Shakatak, the movies Mustang, 'Christiane F' and 'Take Care of My Cat' and more.

So you cannot say in your opinion that Belift stole from MHJ. You can at most say in your opinion that Belift copied what MHJ plagiarized.

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Except MHJ plagiarized Jeans (the Mexican group), Speed (a Japanese group), Pace, Shakatak, the movies Mustang, 'Christiane F' and 'Take Care of My Cat' and more.

So you cannot say in your opinion that Belift stole from MHJ. You can at most say in your opinion that Belift copied what MHJ plagiarized.

No she did not. Stop working for Hybe whats wrong with you? Are you one of those hybe thugs on the internet spreading lies? Where is your morality? Are you a Hybe THUG. Stop lying you sound more crazier than me. It's not okay. Hybe thugs need to stop thugging on the internet and start training their idols to sing. You are a liar who needs to spend time in prison for lying hybe thugs.

It's called inspiration. did lesserafim plagiarize Christianity when they used religious imagery in their comeback EASY. Are they thugs who plagiarize also? Are you a THUG.

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They cannot bother me I have reached the highest level of Trolling.