I feel like by making Queencard a hit people have created a monster😨

  • Your argument reeks of pretentiousness. Tons of people have derided sophisticated lyrics for things beyond just vapidity. There's ecerything from lacking coherence, muddying the listenability of a song, making a song come across more as sermon than message.


    To just go "sophisticated lyrics are infallible" shows far more lack of understanding of nuance and the building blocks of music than anything a lover of vapid music can do by just going "I think the beat sounds nice."

    Unsophisticated people do sometimes find my arguments pretentious. :pepe-smug:


    Sophisticated lyricism doesn't lack coherence; it wouldn't be sophisticated if it did. Sounds a lot more like an inability on the listener's part to comprehend the lyrics in question.

  • Most kpop songs have cringey/weird lyrics that doesn't stop those songs from being hits, same with pop and other music genres I feel like what people are drawn to more in a song is the feeling that song itself gives off and who the artist singing the song are, because I know for sure if it was about the lyrics and meaning of a song the most of the top artist right now wouldn't be the top artist.

  • Unsophisticated people do sometimes find my arguments pretentious. :pepe-smug:


    Sophisticated lyricism doesn't lack coherence; it wouldn't be sophisticated if it did. Sounds a lot more like an inability on the listener's part to comprehend the lyrics in question.


    Yeah, I could kinda tell froom post one you were a self-aggrandizing sort, So I'm hardly surprised by this argument.


    Also having sophistication, doesn't prevent something from lacking coherence. They're not synoynms.


    Ans that's ignoring the fact that sophistication has no standard or objective metric in music.

  • Yeah, I could kinda tell froom post one you were a self-aggrandizing sort, So I'm hardly surprised by this argument.


    Also having sophistication, doesn't prevent something from lacking coherence. They're not synoynms.


    Ans that's ignoring the fact that sophistication has no standard or objective metric in music.

    I can't help that I happen to be right. It just comes naturally.


    Something being incoherent from your point of view doesn't make it any less sophisticated. Quantum physics is incoherent to a lot of people. Does that make the theories any less sophisticated? No.


    Music might be largely subjective, but one thing that I think we should all be able to agree on is that lines such as "I like to eh on drinking whiskey" and "my boob and booty's hot" are objectively lacking in sophistication. ;judgingpepe:

  • I can't help that I happen to be right. It just comes naturally.


    Something being incoherent from your point of view doesn't make it any less sophisticated. Quantum physics is incoherent to a lot of people. Does that make the theories any less sophisticated? No.


    Music might be largely subjective, but one thing that I think we should all be able to agree on is that lines such as "I like to eh on drinking whiskey" and "my boob and booty's hot" are objectively lacking in sophistication. ;judgingpepe:

    I in no way called them sophisticated lyrics. So bringing them up doesn't matter to me. I'm just inherently opposed to the idea that sophisticatwd lyrics are an intrinsic necessity and objectively the best course of action.


    And yeah, when you say you're right and compare music writing to something more foundational(not inherently cause that shit can change with enough peer reviewed theories and experiments to the contrary) like quantum physics... it does come off pretentious. Cause you're trying to apply an objective and intrinsic value and worth to a medium that's from its very roots is subjective.

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  • No use arguing with Viper2k.


    He just outright hates (G)I-DLE and will use any justification to do so. You aren't discussing in good faith with him.


    If Idle came out with Hwaa right now, you bet your bottom dollar he'd be arguing for simple English lyrics to be catchy and hit, and complain that he can't bop to the song.

  • Soyeon's been unstoppable in marketing her sound to the general public since Tomboy, Queencard is just a continuation of this. While I myself share your distaste for Soyeon's song writing formula, I'm not too worried as I don't see any of the groups I'm a fan of being infected with My-Boob-and-Booty-Hot syndrome anytime soon.

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