[PC][theqoo] "HALLOWEEN" BECOMES A FORBIDDEN WORD... DISAPPEARS FROM THE BROADCAST WORLD

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It contributed, but it wasn't the only factor. Basically the alley became more narrow as it went down because of the illegal additions to the building, so it made the crowd get even more compressed than it already was as they traveled in that direction. However, crushing still occurred higher up where the alley was less narrow, and it appears that the government had known about the illegal renovations to the building for decades and did nothing about it beyond basically a slap on the wrist.

No matter where you look in this disaster, all roads ultimately lead to negligent authorities.

I wonder who will be charged then

I just hope justice gets served to those who had passed/ Lost a loved one

Maybe it's controversial, but individuals should be held accountable too. Blaming the authorities is easy. But there's a point your common sense should tell you "hey, this very narrow place looks already quite overcrowded; maybe I should just back off and go somewhere else rather than adding more fuel to the fire". Why would people even inflict that upon themselves? Aren't overcrowded public transportations during rush hours enough of an unpleasant experience?

I don't know, man. Seoul is not the only city in the world with narrow streets. Have you gone to Paris before? It can get pretty narrow too. Noone died crushed against other people there though, neither during National Day, Halloween, Christmas Day nor New Year's Eve.

This whole situation, however tragic it is, screams borderline insanity to me. I can't wrap my mind around how this completely avoidable disaster did happen.

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I can guarantee you all those cities have crowd control in place. Inadequate crowd control leads to incidences like these sooner or later. This is not to say that we should not teach individuals that pushing and shoving can lead to bad things. But in a situation like this, it requires very organized crowd control to handle.

No we don't have cops to tell you that you should not crush each other.

Police deployments during big events are first and foremost to prevent criminal acts, like thugs looting shops, destroying community property, etc. That's a concern we have here and that South Korea doesn't have I guess, or to a much lesser extent. That's why I'm not shocked that only a few dozen officers were on location that day. Though they probably should have been quicker at responding to the first emergency calls and getting of a grasp of what was going on.

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It's really REALLY hard to assess how dangerous a crowd actually is if you have no way to see or communicate with other sections of the crowd the way that official crowd managers do, and if you have no knowledge that deadly crowd crushes are even a thing that can happen (which is most people). It can seem totally fine while going in, and then by the time you realize it isn't fine, you're trapped and can't leave easily. That's why crowd crushes are pretty much universally blamed on poor crowd control, not on the crowd itself. And who is responsible for crowd control in a large scale non-organized gathering? The local authorities.

Another issue with just leaving is that that alley was actually one of the main ways out of the crowded area. It's been estimated that taking another path would've taken at least half an hour longer in those conditions, meaning an extra half an hour in that insane crowd. If you were stuck in that crowd, then going down that alley may have easily seemed like the most logical thing to do.

what i dont understand is how it led to such big crowd, at least didn't some think oh this street is too crowded it would be so inconvenient lets just go somewhere else? its like common sense tho

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Have you considered that other areas nearby were crowded too?

then u can just go somewhere far from the area or party at home or skip halloween, i mean there are many options

like its just hard for me to grasp how one proceeds to enter such crowded place, like i cant even be such place for a sec forget about even partying

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And if you can't move?

i am talking about before entering the street why would one can't move?

its just similar as seeing crowded public bus and decide to use to next bus or instead walk

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What if it's all crowded? Everywhere you turn? By the way, we can trade what ifs all day... changes nothing.

then go outside stay at home