Ive has no edge compared to rest of 4th gen: Nmixx/Aespa sing about lores/have great vocals, Txt/Enhypen even has their own Webtoons, Stray Kidz/Ateez/Treasure self compose, has bone-breaking dance and fast raps, Itzy great stage presence, NewJeans innovative marketing/album design. Ive has none of the above, yet they are the biggest group now. Should other companies stop trying so hard? What really is important when it comes to success, because talent don’t seem to be so important?
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the most important thing is you need to make enjoyable music what they make. great vocal presentation in some music is good for lessening but sometimes not enjoyable by people because they not able sing and pull out those songs but ive song easily sings by any people and enjoyable.
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The most important thing is having lots of simple minded fans that will eat up whatever basicness they'll throw at them.
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some of these groups have great discography too, if not at least they have several songs that deserve more success, music is not really the reason of it, (ofc to some extent it plays role) but consider esp nowadays l people pay boygroups music to dust when they have way more diversity and good music than people credit them for
i guess some things just happen as the way it is, there's nothing as Ive is the most talented or Ive's music is the best, they just happen to click with the public at this moment, it is just what it is
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People calling IVE's music basic but Eleven and Love Dive were the most unique non-noisy songs to come out in recent years.
They mixed slow motion with more vibrant parts and a beautiful middle east rhythm in Eleven, and they sing it in perfect harmony with the melody.
Love Dive mixed dreampop and darkpop with perfection.
Even for AL that is their most basic, it's easy on the ear and have a very familiar sound with a heartwarming message and catchy lines. It's fun to dance even when you don't have to follow a choreo.
Itzy, aespa and Nmixx release music that only make success in the kpop niche because it's noisy af. Lesserafim? Blue Flame was good but the title track Fearless is really boring, and most people don't check bsides. Newjeans music is good but if you listen to rnb you are used to it, it's nothing new. Skz/Ateez/Treasure? NOISE. Even if their music is subjectively good it's a niche sound similar to these girl crush variants. Pop music aka music witg wider appeal have to be simpler. Enhypen/txt? No one cares about bgs because they are very stereotyped and made to cater mostly the feminine public. No wide appeal.
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None of that stuff you mentioned ever mattered. To be honest, it's refreshing that I've doesn't do that lore bullshit
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It's not about the music. It's because they have Wonyoung. She's SK's Disney Princess atm. Always cute and pretty and perfect. Teen girls want to be her. But a new face will inevitably come along and supplant her. The bigger they are the harder they fall.
Gaeul's line just went super viral in SK and you're gonna credit that to Wonyoung?
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Ive has no edge compared to rest of 4th gen: Nmixx/Aespa sing about lores/have great vocals, Txt/Enhypen even has their own Webtoons, Stray Kidz/Ateez/Treasure self compose, has bone-breaking dance and fast raps, Itzy great stage presence, NewJeans innovative marketing/album design. Ive has none of the above, yet they are the biggest group now. Should other companies stop trying so hard? What really is important when it comes to success, because talent don’t seem to be so important?
casuals don't give a shit about lores, webtoon, stage presence, self compose or any of the above, if the music hit it, it hit it, depends what you mean vocals, a better/unique voice tone is more important than vocal technique (both Rei and Liz has went viral for their vocal colors), is pop music not opera
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"KISS - Keep it Simple Stupid" might have actually worked for them. No drama, No trying to 'differentiate' themselves with convoluted schemes/themes.
NJ was even better - no elaborate teasers/intros/announcements etc., just dropped the music.
These things are cyclic, maybe Koreans are at a point that they are sick and tired of all the promo/marketing junk taking focus over actual music & performance.
At the end of the day, a simple piece of pleasant music to hear and bob your head to, matters more than anything else.
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It's not about the music. It's because they have Wonyoung. She's SK's Disney Princess atm. Always cute and pretty and perfect. Teen girls want to be her. But a new face will inevitably come along and supplant her. The bigger they are the harder they fall.
Wonyoung has been part of Izone too and Izone didn't do half as good as IVE, lets not speak that Eleven didn't even went into top 100 melon at debut, it started to get higher after promos and after Leeseo fancam went viral and Rei's slow motion part went viral, the song also blow internationally because of Liz's intro part on tiktok, for After Like, Gaeul part is the most popular by far
Yes, having Wonyoung helped but she's far as being the only thing that matter
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Wonyoung has been part of Izone too and Izone didn't do half as good as IVE, lets not speak that Eleven didn't even went into top 100 melon at debut, it started to get higher after promos and after Leeseo fancam went viral and Rei's slow motion part went viral, the song also blow internationally because of Liz's intro part on tiktok, for After Like, Gaeul part is the most popular by far
Yes, having Wonyoung helped but she's far as being the only thing that matter
Let's not forget that Yujin is only second to Wonyoung as it girl in SoKor now. IVE is a group full of it girls, all of them went viral at some point. Gaeul was the least popular and look at her now.
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u actually have to be joking lmao ive release generic pop music from western producers
literally NOTHING about their concept and music is different
mentioning aespa as just "noisy" proves you have no clue what you're talking about just a parrot imiating what every other kpop stan says
savage album alone is more diverse and cohesive than half of the sh*t kpop groups release including your favs
trends die and talent lasts remember that
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Leeseo is not forgotten, she got hate even for not giving a shit about freaking Pikachu
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u actually have to be joking lmao ive release generic pop music from western producers
literally NOTHING about their concept and music is different
mentioning aespa as just "noisy" proves you have no clue what you're talking about just a parrot imiating what every other kpop stan says
savage album alone is more diverse and cohesive than half of the sh*t kpop groups release including your favs
trends die and talent lasts remember that
I said NON NOISE no one GIVES A SHIT about the unique noise your faves reread my post again and maybe you will understand what I said instead of typing whatever angry rant you want to vent, in fact let me be clear to you no one listen to bsides if not fandom so no one cares if your faves are making high quality music that requires buying the album to listen.
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gaeul's line is not going viral lmao
exactly they took one video from a small ass university perf and trying to say it has more impact than next level lol they need to see brave girls rollin perfs that's viral
they're lucky next level was released during a pandemic cause if they had uni perfs we would have gotten a perf as iconic as this
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aespa's music is fine and they have an actual core fandom that will be with them in 10 years
IVE won't last since they are gp carried with crazy akgaes and SK drops ggs like flies
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exactly they took one video from a small ass university perf and trying to say it has more impact than next level lol they need to see brave girls rollin perfs that's viral
they're lucky next level was released during a pandemic cause if they had uni perfs we would have gotten a perf as iconic as this
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aespa's music is fine and they have an actual core fandom that will be with them in 10 years
IVE won't last since they are gp carried with crazy akgaes and SK drops ggs like flies
After Like is much bigger than Next Level. Actually there's 3 or 4 4th gen songs that are bigger than NL. The delusion.
IVE doesn't have to worry about fandom either, they outsold your faves with a single and did well in every global chart while also getting PAKs in a full house with another of their song that is 4 months old on top 10 in every kchart
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After Like is much bigger than Next Level. Actually there's 3 or 4 4th gen songs that are bigger than NL. The delusion.
IVE doesn't have to worry about fandom either, they outsold your faves with a single and did well in every global chart while also getting PAKs in a full house with another of their song that is 4 months old on top 10 in every kchart
they are doing great thanks.no it's not and comparing melon stats when melon lost huge amount of users after the pandemic... use your brain kid
this time next year there will be new group you guys compare Aespa to
one thing never changes is Aespa position as #1 now shut your mouth cause it's full of sh*t
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They have easy listening music with attractive members with decently charming personalities
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Come here I'll explain why they are can be success even not coming from SM like aespa.
First, the hit that sweet spot with GP
Aespa also did the same, but why aespa already faded?
There are at least two things.
1. Aespa debuted and thriving at pandemic time. This makes them having only online performance or no public performance (no audience). That's why people said their debut was not well received. When they released next level, they are actually almost got it.
It's different from IVE where their rookie era are spend and pushed on many public performance like uni tour and concert. It's more open than online event (since most likely only kpop fans who checked it out)
Both are lucky for debuting in different times. If both of them are on the same year, one of them would never have their glory.
Second, it's SM fault to not keeping their relevancy
Both got their viral moment, but what went wrong?
After aespa got their moment with Next Level, they had only little to no activity to follow up. You may blame the world and covid for that era but you should've blame SM more because they can't think any creative event for aespa. You can still pumping many content to keep them relevant. But SM didn't do that.
While starship always striking the hot iron. They took every opportunity available (even almost sending the girls into an event with questionable guest) and they keep pumping contents or sending the girls to public tv program. They are more like a desperate poor men doing every job posted on the board.
Third, the members
You may argue on whoever the most popular between karina-winter and yujin-wonyoung. The fact: both of them are popular and that's it.
So we need to look at the other members.
Do aespa had any other member with non-negative thing that went viral?
There is one post in the main forum talking about this on Giselle. Does she had one?
Also Ningning seems like don't have any.
Now let's see what other ive member had:
Leeseo's close up fancam, Liz's singing fine even while crying, Rei's gyaru peace, and now Gaeul's line in after like. All this thing keep their relevancy with gp. So when there are news that ive doing something, not only kpop fans who checked them out but also gp.
Yes they are carried by gp right now, but if you say they will be left out in next year? I don't think so, since they keep planting their name to gp with various thing. Wonyoung doing wonyoung thing, Yujin showing here and there in TV. The other member had their viral moment.
Will gp leave ive? Maybe yes, but it will not happening in the next 2 or 3 years in the future. Unless starship do the same thing like SM where they are not giving the girls any content or event.
But here is one thing great about aespa: despite all of that, their fandom size is growing bigger than before (after their rookie grandslam).
They may lose the gp interest, but they had fandom in return.
Tldr:
Why ive is now doing great than aespa?
Ive keep their relevancy in gp and aespa had lost it because fucking SM
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Like the earlier Anon said.
KISS. Ive just kept it simple. They released catchy, infectious, listenable songs that may not exactly stretch the limits or creativity or originality, but don't have to at all. Their three TT's all have AMAZING hooks with very, very earworm lyrics and segments. It's all it really needed and it looks like New Jeans might also be on that same path.
Imagine thinking the average person, or even the average kpop fan, gives any kind of shit at all about ridiculous lore about cyberspace evil snakes fighting cyberspace avatars from an early 2010 video game? Or silly comic strips? Like imagine actually being so dumb as to think things like that are more important than well crafted songs themselves?
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After Like is much bigger than Next Level.
Delusional. I would've maybe agreed if you said Tomboy or Love Dive instead
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bts didn't use the line. bighit's management did while congrulating jungkook.
meanwhile actual jungkook...
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So you're saying your faves are ugly?
Emphasis on "willing to play the role". They're just what South Korea expects and wants young women to be. Cute but not eccentric, elegant and chaebol-like but not mature, non-threatening, their whole identity is centered around falling in love. Most 4th gen girl groups don't fulfil this.
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Wbk Wonyoung is the Hulk of 4th gen! Girl alone is more relevant than all 4th gen groups combined. She was the only reason Izone was popular and broke sales records. Which group needs good music to be successful? Just add her and you have the bigger sales and the bigger hits not only in SK but worldwide! No other idol like this legend. She's making IVE leave no crumbs for other groups. They will never be successful and popular like IVE because they don't have Wonyoung. She was born to lead 4th gen with or without IVE and is levels ahead big4 groups. She attracts all the success to IVE that's why other groups are flopping in comparison even if they have decent success it's nothing compared to what Wonyoung attract. Big4 can't compete with Wonyoung! If Suzy debuted with Miss A in 4th gen she would be nugu compared to Wony so what make these delusionals think any other 4th gen group have a chance? Just give it up already. IVE could release fart sounds and still outsell and outchart every other 4th gen group because of Wonyoung. Other members could get in scandal and still outsell and outchart all thanks to Wonyoung. Wonyoung is the answer. She is the source of all success. She chose IVE to bless with her success-attraction so now no other group have a chance. Releasing good music? Being charismatic? Pfft! What's the worth of it if they don't have Wonyoung and therefore and destined to flop and stay in nugudom? She is the only factor that can lead a group to success in every metric. I wish more 4th gen stans were more realistic like you and give up thinking their faves have a chance against a group that have Wonyoung. It wil save the embarrassment.
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People calling IVE's music basic but Eleven and Love Dive were the most unique non-noisy songs to come out in recent years.
They mixed slow motion with more vibrant parts and a beautiful middle east rhythm in Eleven, and they sing it in perfect harmony with the melody.
Love Dive mixed dreampop and darkpop with perfection.
Even for AL that is their most basic, it's easy on the ear and have a very familiar sound with a heartwarming message and catchy lines. It's fun to dance even when you don't have to follow a choreo.
Itzy, aespa and Nmixx release music that only make success in the kpop niche because it's noisy af. Lesserafim? Blue Flame was good but the title track Fearless is really boring, and most people don't check bsides. Newjeans music is good but if you listen to rnb you are used to it, it's nothing new. Skz/Ateez/Treasure? NOISE. Even if their music is subjectively good it's a niche sound similar to these girl crush variants. Pop music aka music witg wider appeal have to be simpler. Enhypen/txt? No one cares about bgs because they are very stereotyped and made to cater mostly the feminine public. No wide appeal.
I like I'ves songs as much as the next fan but they're not unique in the slightest. Some would even call them basic and generic.
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