So can we finally admit Pink Venom was a failure in every sense?

    The music is terrible even many BP stans couldn’t deny it this time.

    The domestic charting is mediocre and disappointing in proportion to the hype.

    The international charting on Billboard 100 is frankly embarrassing, free falling on the 2nd week during a time when the chart is historically weak and songs can enter even with very low streams. Pink Venom couldn’t even outdo HYLT after all this hype and weak competition.

    All this bad charting is a direct result of the song being so bad it couldn’t sustain listeners.


    Is there anything left for Blinks to brag about?

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    Who do you stan? I hope it's not a jyp or sm stan because they are an embarrassment on all charts

    What are you talking about? How did you manage to delude yourself Pink Venom is flopping?

    there's still 3M album sales with 22 versions and the imaginative stadium world tour ig


    "mediocre" charting yet it hit #1 for an hour on melon and has maintained upper 400k ULs for over two weeks. No other 3rd gen group has come close to doing that this year.
    Free falling in the second week would be like what Yet To Come did for BTS. Once again, no other girl group even charts on BB100.
    Billboard charts are so weak yet Twice couldn't even enter the hot 100.
    It's been in the top 10 of spotify every day since release, so it's sustaining listeners quite well.

    Next excuse. You sound like you either don't know charts at all or you're a fan of a flop group and are just jealous.

    why do you use 1st hour uls to illustrate a song’s performance on charts? lmao. stats on the first day are all about hype, it’s what happens after a week that determines if a song is a hit and people like it or if it’s just hanging on instead of really making an impact. and for a group like bp pink venom’s charting is mediocre at best. comparing them to other 3rd gen groups is irrelevant. it’s like bragging that you’re in the top 80 while others can’t even enter top 100. not something to brag about lmao

    all of what you said is whataboutism instead of focusing on pink venom’s actual numbers. and for billboard 100 the numbers are bad. this is all facts. deflecting won’t change facts

    It's the first Korean song that's half in English to chart 1 on Spotify global.

    Unless you Stan BTS, that btw aren't exactly having their best year, you shouldn't speak about charts. BP are actually doing great and definitely better than any other girl group even outside kpop

    Quote from Kwangya Validation (834)

    Unless you Stan BTS, that btw aren't exactly having their best year, you shouldn't speak about charts. BP are actually doing great and definitely better than any other girl group even outside kpop

    classic kpop stans deflection. so unless i stan the most popular group i can’t ever use my eyes and brain to comment on others groups’ performance on charts which i observe with my own eyes? is this a dictatorship now where free speech is not allowed? trust me, even if i stanned the most nugu group on earth, if i made factual observations about other more popular groups, my comments would still always ring true if they’re true. whoever i stan has no consequence on facts. but maybe you kpop stans have a hard time grasping that concept lmao

    Saying Pink Venom flopping would be saying every single kpop song flopped this year which is just dumb af

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    classic kpop stans deflection. so unless i stan the most popular group i can’t ever use my eyes and brain to comment on others groups’ performance on charts which i observe with my own eyes? is this a dictatorship now where free speech is not allowed? trust me, even if i stanned the most nugu group on earth, if i made factual observations about other more popular groups, my comments would still always ring true if they’re true. whoever i stan has no consequence on facts. but maybe you kpop stans have a hard time grasping that concept lmao

    If you stan a nugu you really can't call pink venom a flop because nugus would give a limb for such success. Pink venom is a flop for no one.

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    classic kpop stans deflection. so unless i stan the most popular group i can’t ever use my eyes and brain to comment on others groups’ performance on charts which i observe with my own eyes? is this a dictatorship now where free speech is not allowed? trust me, even if i stanned the most nugu group on earth, if i made factual observations about other more popular groups, my comments would still always ring true if they’re true. whoever i stan has no consequence on facts. but maybe you kpop stans have a hard time grasping that concept lmao

    if pink venom flopped in every aspect, then so did every kpop song this year in some way or the other. literally no song that's doing well in k-charts is even charting on hot 100. only bts charted on hot 100 this year, but their songs didn't do well in k-charts, at least no where near pink venom.


    in fact, i believe pink venom is the only kpop song this year that did well in very aspect. so op, you are just delusional.

    Quote from YG Dungeon Tourist (997)

    If you stan a nugu you really can't call pink venom a flop because nugus would give a limb for such success. Pink venom is a flop for no one.

    did i ever say nugu groups don’t want to achieve success? wut? you’re literally making no sense

    in all my posts so far i’ve said pink venom’s charting is mediocre for bp’s standards, not for other nugu groups. i beg you bp stans please learn some logical thinking skills and try to stay on the topic of discussion instead of deflecting every time as that’s all you know how 😭

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    did i ever say nugu groups don’t want to achieve success? wut? you’re literally making no sense

    in all my posts so far i’ve said pink venom’s charting is mediocre for bp’s standards, not for other nugu groups. i beg you bp stans please learn some logical thinking skills and try to stay on the topic of discussion instead of deflecting every time as that’s all you know how 😭

    I just know if the flops you stan got a number one on Spotify and did above 450k unique listeners you would not call it mediocre and never a flop. This is why I hate anons. So easy to talk smack when you stan a lesser group.

    PInk Venom was a failure upon release. NMIXX got a lot of hate for their music but BP has been getting away with it for years. BP isn’t better than NMIXX, they are just fit the insta model requirements more.

    At least tell us their 2nd week position on hot100 man. I don't really follow the chart.

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    A new record for Blinks. It's the first Korean song that's actually 80% in English that was number 1 on Spotify global for 3 days, 12 minutes and 45 seconds.

    Lol not even suprising what person gave this a lol, bitter about bp since day 1

    Pink venom flop? Then who's not flopping base on your petty observation? You haven't brought your favs, so I assume you Stan some group that has lesser achievement than BP. So, how? How do you define flopping?

    Pink Venom is the most successful kpop song this year if we take in consideration both the domestic and global charting. So if it was a failure, how big failures were the rest of kpop songs this year then?

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    I just know if the flops you stan got a number one on Spotify and did above 450k unique listeners you would not call it mediocre and never a flop. This is why I hate anons. So easy to talk smack when you stan a lesser group.

    This right here. Such the mindset of kpop fans. LESSER GROUPS. It's music you clown. The fact that you are a person, online, hiding behind a screen, using a group who doesn't know you exist to feel superior proves the one who is lesser is YOU.

    Pink venom flopped for BP standard so did ytc flop for BTS standard. The most popular groups in the world flopped for their recent comebacks


    But compared to BTS who came out with a compilation, it’s really bad for BP who came out after two years to display such mediocre charting.


    The song itself is bad. But hylt was bad and was still able to carry the hype. I wonder what changed

    The thing about mocking Blackpink's achievements is that they are the strongest achievers in KPop after BTS. If BP are flops, KPop is a flop. Including the shiny new faves. Itzy and Aespa also had their moments of "Woooah they ended Blackpink!!" when they debuted. Only for time to show that they didn't.

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    Pink venom flopped for BP standard so did ytc flop for BTS standard. The most popular groups in the world flopped for their recent comebacks


    But compared to BTS who came out with a compilation, it’s really bad for BP who came out after two years to display such mediocre charting.


    The song itself is bad. But hylt was bad and was still able to carry the hype. I wonder what changed

    this is exactly my point but blinks continued to deflect and miss the point for some reason. it’s obvious that pink venom did bad for bp’s standards and no amount of other group flopping can change this fact. it’s very telling that blinks’ only argument in this thread is ‘but but but group X and group Y flopped too blah blah so how can pink venom be a flop???’ when there’s no relevant logic in that argument lmfao

    Quote from Northern Validation (93)

    Pink venom flopped for BP standard so did ytc flop for BTS standard. The most popular groups in the world flopped for their recent comebacks


    But compared to BTS who came out with a compilation, it’s really bad for BP who came out after two years to display such mediocre charting.


    The song itself is bad. But hylt was bad and was still able to carry the hype. I wonder what changed

    I don't understand this. From what I've seen pv is doing much better than hylt?

    Quote from OP

    why do you use 1st hour uls to illustrate a song’s performance on charts? lmao. stats on the first day are all about hype, it’s what happens after a week that determines if a song is a hit and people like it or if it’s just hanging on instead of really making an impact. and for a group like bp pink venom’s charting is mediocre at best. comparing them to other 3rd gen groups is irrelevant. it’s like bragging that you’re in the top 80 while others can’t even enter top 100. not something to brag about lmao

    all of what you said is whataboutism instead of focusing on pink venom’s actual numbers. and for billboard 100 the numbers are bad. this is all facts. deflecting won’t change facts

    Well it's been 3 weeks since it was released and

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    This right here. Such the mindset of kpop fans. LESSER GROUPS. It's music you clown. The fact that you are a person, online, hiding behind a screen, using a group who doesn't know you exist to feel superior proves the one who is lesser is YOU.

    Most kpop groups are lesser to Blackpink. Not everyone is equal. Op most probably stans a flop and has audacity to call pink venom flop

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    once again y’all proved you can’t read or possess any logical thinking skills. noted for the 13533545th time

    So you agree pink venom would be a huge success for the group you stan?

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    So you agree pink venom would be a huge success for the group you stan?

    girl when you have to stoop as low as ‘my faves are doing soooo much better than nugu groups take that you nugu stans’ maybe consider shutting your trap and sparing yourself the embarrassment lmfao

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    I don't understand this. From what I've seen pv is doing much better than hylt?

    Hylt did way better than PV. For the Korean charts, hylt clears PV. For global Spotify PV is benefiting from the global expansion Spotify did in 2021, that’s why it looks like PV is breaking records.


    For billboard hylt had more points than PV and was released in a competitive chart compared to PV. Even YouTube stream is disappointing


    There are two different numbers and this is the 1st week

    YT top songs (MV + dance practice etc)

    PV - 245M

    HYLT - 266M


    YT MV views

    PV - 192M

    HYLT - 195M

    lol cmon OP, it is literally the most popular song in the world and is actually outcharting BTS songs in their second week on the Hot 100 according to TW.

    How does hylt clear PV in sk charts? It’s been out for 3 weeks if anything PV can easily outdo it, even lsg is bigger in sk


    And not you rambling on about how the only reason why PV looks better on Spotify is cause of global expansion, but use yt and bb when we all know firstly bb points are lower in general thanks to rule change, and yt has been used less and less to stream mv globally


    Armys need to keep bp out of you mouths, it’s obvious you guys are angry that bp is having a good year. Leave them alone

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    I don't understand this. From what I've seen pv is doing much better than hylt?

    It is doing better than HYLT literally everywhere except for Melon ... even on Melon it is re-peaking at over 500K ULs in its 3rd week


    HYLT entered BB100 at #33 and was #91 in second week (-58)

    PV entered BB100 at #22 and was #53 in its second week (-31)

    PV was doing more daily streams on Spotify in its second week than HYLT on its first day and is still top 10 after over 20 days

    lmao, lets get things clear before you try spreading missinfo. pv is outdoing hylt no matter what. It peaked higher in spotify and it has been in the top 10 since day 1. Billboard did a whole reform after bts destroyed their system with the massive sales and fraudulent sales, sales got decreased and points got decreased. 2 years ago there wasn't massive competition, it was the pandemic year, the lowest year for the music industry ever, the hot 100 was weaker then and massive sales got acts to number 1 that they didn't deserve like bts, 6ix9ine, ariana, nicki. So pv is actually doing better, with the old system they could have went to top 10 easily, thank god they didn't so they don't look as fake as bts doing it. Youtube views died, no group is reaching over 200m this year, only bp. Pink venom is outdoing hylt with ease.

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    girl when you have to stoop as low as ‘my faves are doing soooo much better than nugu groups take that you nugu stans’ maybe consider shutting your trap and sparing yourself the embarrassment lmfao

    Not even just nugu groups, all other girl groups. All other korean artist songs except bts' butter/dynamite

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    How does hylt clear PV in sk charts? It’s been out for 3 weeks if anything PV can easily outdo it, even lsg is bigger in sk


    And not you rambling on about how the only reason why PV looks better on Spotify is cause of global expansion, but use yt and bb when we all know firstly bb points are lower in general thanks to rule change, and yt has been used less and less to stream mv globally


    Armys need to keep bp out of you mouths, it’s obvious you guys are angry that bp is having a good year. Leave them alone


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    lmao, lets get things clear before you try spreading missinfo. pv is outdoing hylt no matter what. It peaked higher in spotify and it has been in the top 10 since day 1. Billboard did a whole reform after bts destroyed their system with the massive sales and fraudulent sales, sales got decreased and points got decreased. 2 years ago there wasn't massive competition, it was the pandemic year, the lowest year for the music industry ever, the hot 100 was weaker then and massive sales got acts to number 1 that they didn't deserve like bts, 6ix9ine, ariana, nicki. So pv is actually doing better, with the old system they could have went to top 10 easily, thank god they didn't so they don't look as fake as bts doing it. Youtube views died, no group is reaching over 200m this year, only bp. Pink venom is outdoing hylt with ease.

    I see numbers and that is all I see. PV is not doing any better than hylt. Also YouTube views did not die just because BTS released a ballad and it did not cross 100M. PV was able to beat hylt 24 hour debut record on YouTube but hylt is pulling more weekly streams. This shows PV hype is dying and the song was not well received.


    Blinks who are biased and not ready to look at numbers is not my problem

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    I see numbers and that is all I see. PV is not doing any better than hylt. Also YouTube views did not die just because BTS released a ballad and it did not cross 100M. PV was able to beat hylt 24 hour debut record on YouTube but hylt is pulling more weekly streams. This shows PV hype is dying and the song was not well received.


    Blinks who are biased and not ready to look at numbers is not my problem

    And all the PV numbers are looking better than HYLT, so your point is? what youtube? LMAOOO, first youtube don't matter, now its the only metric to se success. LMAO

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