BTS and ARMY don't have the same tastes

ARMY: Discussing BTS records - Dynamite this, Butter that, 2020 was the year of BTS supremacy.

BTS: We did not like the direction of our music since MOTS, it did not fee like ourselves (RM & Others in that Festa announcement)

Ergo - BTS themselves did not like, their most commercially successful output, i.e. most liked by the ARMY.

BTS: We will return to what we like and release YTC, Run BTS, Born Singer

ARMY: Naah, we won't support your tastes in Music, like we supported Dynamite, Butter, even PTD(?)

Ergo - ARMY does not as much like the music, which BTS likes more as true to themselves.

Isn't it an ironic situation for the most successful Kpop group and their massive fandom?

what are you on?

Not an armee but isn't that the case for *im assuming* at least some kpop groups. They don't enjoy their songs while their fans do.

This might seem like a shock to you but armys do not share the same taste in music among each other despite all of them listening to bts. It's rare to find two armys with similar tastes in BTS music since it's so varied. It just so happened casuals prefer their pop side compared to their other tracks. It's always been like this.

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Not an armee but isn't that the case for *im assuming* at least some kpop groups. They don't enjoy their songs while their fans do.

Their point is that BTS did enjoy their musical output until it turned into generic grammy-chasing dirge.

This is coming from someone who didn't like their new direction at all but BTS never said they don't like those songs.

Namjoon specifically said that he felt he had the group in his hand till Dynamite. But with Butter and PTD it just flew past him. They said they didn't know what to write about after MOTS:7. And they felt lost after that album and during the pandemic. They never said anything about being forced to release the songs or hating them.

It's completely normal as artists to loose your identity and release songs that do not hit or are not a fair representation of you as an artist. It's not that big of a deal. Let's stop making it to be.

are you fan? because you don't really sound like one, just a person who keeps assuming things (for the worst)

In what world is Yet to come like old BTS? And when did the fandom dislike Run BTS? You kinda don't know what you're talking about

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This might seem like a shock to you but armys do not share the same taste in music among each other despite all of them listening to bts. It's rare to find two armys with similar tastes in BTS music since it's so varied. It just so happened casuals prefer their pop side compared to their other tracks. It's always been like this.

Of course there would be variety in tastes, but it is ironic that the "most successful" i.e. liked by most of the ARMY, is not liked by the Artists themselves.

I feel for the ARMY, who use Dynamite stats to clobber others and now BTS comes around saying they don't particularly like that song.

Did all of them actually say they didn’t like the direction of their music in that video? I don’t know if all of bts thinks that. Doesn’t JK like to listen to pop easy to listen to songs? Seems like those songs are close to the type of songs he listens to. I’m not too sure though, maybe armys could clarify this?

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This is coming from someone who didn't like their new direction at all but BTS never said they don't like those songs.

Namjoon specifically said that he felt he had the group in his hand till Dynamite. But with Butter and PTD it just flew past him. They said they didn't know what to write about after MOTS:7. And they felt lost after that album and during the pandemic. They never said anything about being forced to release the songs or hating them.

It's completely normal as artists to loose your identity and release songs that do not hit or are not a fair representation of you as an artist. It's not that big of a deal. Let's stop making it to be.

And Suga reportedly dislikes LGO...

Of course it is normal not to like all the songs or that all the songs aren't hits.

Yet if the most successful song, is the song artist explicitly says is not representative, then it is valid to surmise that the idols and the fans- for the most part, are not on the same page when it comes to tastes.

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are you fan? because you don't really sound like one, just a person who keeps assuming things (for the worst)

In what world is Yet to come like old BTS? And when did the fandom dislike Run BTS? You kinda don't know what you're talking about

Like/Dislike is measured by chart performance.

No song is like any other song exactly, yet compared to BE/Butter/PTD, YTC is more akin to Spring Day etc., relatively.

But the point remains that "the most successful of BTS songs - Dynamite/Butter i.e. most liked by the ARMY, aren't liked by BTS themselves"

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And Suga reportedly dislikes LGO...

Of course it is normal not to like all the songs or that all the songs aren't hits.

Yet if the most successful song, is the song artist explicitly says is not representative, then it is valid to surmise that the idols and the fans- for the most part, are not on the same page when it comes to tastes.

Where did Suga say that? And what's the use of this here?

Bts say their representative songs currently are Dynamite and Butter. Something that'll bring new listeners to their korean music too. Something that ARMYs have repeated many times.

And how does it even matter if artists are not on the same page lol. I'm not even arguing about your conclusion because it's so useless. I'm arguing at the arguments you're using because they seem very one-sided and baseless to me.

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Did all of them actually say they didn’t like the direction of their music in that video? I don’t know if all of bts thinks that. Doesn’t JK like to listen to pop easy to listen to songs? Seems like those songs are close to the type of songs he listens to. I’m not too sure though, maybe armys could clarify this?

It was primarily RM, but others did not disagree with the statement.

And there were separate reports that Suga dislikes or even despises LGO/BE

With Proof and Jhope, the headlines are all about BTS finding their Creative Freedom.

Which implies that they were Creatively Compromised at least in the past 2-3 years.

Yet it is in that compromised period, that they achieved peak of their success, makes it somewhat tragic.

I don't know who should be pitied here, BTS because they had to compromise, or ARMY who after takin BTS to fantastic heights, got a F-U from BTS - saying that what ARMY liked the most, was disliked by them.

Why is this iu fan so obsessed with bts? Everyone knows you hate bts and armys. It is actually getting ridiculous now. You made your intentions clear in first 2 days with those ageist remarks. But for someone who acts like a rational user and calls every other kpop fan "fanatic" and tells them their opinion doesn't matter because it comes from stan pov, your obsession with them is getting to the point of unhealthy now. You talk and care more about bts and armys than your own fave and fandom. Get some help because you are acting like a maniac now.

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This is coming from someone who didn't like their new direction at all but BTS never said they don't like those songs.

Namjoon specifically said that he felt he had the group in his hand till Dynamite. But with Butter and PTD it just flew past him. They said they didn't know what to write about after MOTS:7. And they felt lost after that album and during the pandemic. They never said anything about being forced to release the songs or hating them.

It's completely normal as artists to loose your identity and release songs that do not hit or are not a fair representation of you as an artist. It's not that big of a deal. Let's stop making it to be.

What namjoon said is perfectly clear to armys. The people who don't stan bts are taking his words out of context to push their narratives about bts. They don't care about bts. They just care about their narratives. Rm has multiple times said that dinner video was only for armys and he is sick of these people who have used his words out of context that's why in that letter and today's live he said he feels he shouldn't have released that video. Because of these sick maniacs like this op.

I'm an army and I didn't like anything much after MOTS 7 except Butter and one song on BE and they're not as good as their old songs. Don't generalize.

OP woke up and discovered that everyone has their own unique music taste

I dislike PTD and YTC. Only gave them 3 streams each.

But Butter and Dynamite are bops. Come on.

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OP woke up and discovered that everyone has their own unique music taste

Yes, and what ARMY likes the most, is disliked by BTS.

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I dislike PTD and YTC. Only gave them 3 streams each.

But Butter and Dynamite are bops. Come on.

Well take it up with RM, he is the one who said they didn't like things since MOTS, and Suga who disliked LGO.

I am merely putting the reported like/dislike of BTS with the like/dislike of ARMY on the charts, in contrast.

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Why is this iu fan so obsessed with bts? Everyone knows you hate bts and armys. It is actually getting ridiculous now. You made your intentions clear in first 2 days with those ageist remarks. But for someone who acts like a rational user and calls every other kpop fan "fanatic" and tells them their opinion doesn't matter because it comes from stan pov, your obsession with them is getting to the point of unhealthy now. You talk and care more about bts and armys than your own fave and fandom. Get some help because you are acting like a maniac now.

What namjoon said is perfectly clear to armys. The people who don't stan bts are taking his words out of context to push their narratives about bts. They don't care about bts. They just care about their narratives. Rm has multiple times said that dinner video was only for armys and he is sick of these people who have used his words out of context that's why in that letter and today's live he said he feels he shouldn't have released that video. Because of these sick maniacs like this op.

Meh.. Lot of blah blah .TL:DR.

Is BTS some state secret that only authorised ARMY can talk about?

Didn't have anything to say about the observation made, just a lot of ranting?

Not sure how IU is even relevant..

Nothing wrong in being a fan, just not your type of fan, sooo.. emotionally sensitive ..

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Meh.. Lot of blah blah .TL:DR.

Is BTS some state secret that only authorised ARMY can talk about?

Didn't have anything to say about the observation made, just a lot of ranting?

Not sure how IU is even relevant..

Nothing wrong in being a fan, just not your type of fan, sooo.. emotionally sensitive ..

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no there is nothing to talk about in your post because you watch only some snippets of one video and see the opportunity to push your narrative and take those words out of context and use them against the artist you hate. That video is only for armys because armys know bts and their history which others don't that's why rm said this video is not for anyone other than armys. You are not addressing posts where armys are exposing that your narrative is wrong and now you are making up suga doesn't like lgo. You don't care about anything else other than your narrative. Your hate has been apparent since day 1 so no one should reply your seriously. Because maniacs like you don't care about the topics they just care about pushing their narrative as much as they can.

Iu is important because she is not interesting enough to keep her fans obsessed with her so they get obsessed with other artists. It is worrisome how much you hate an artist. Get some help.

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Like/Dislike is measured by chart performance.

No song is like any other song exactly, yet compared to BE/Butter/PTD, YTC is more akin to Spring Day etc., relatively.

But the point remains that "the most successful of BTS songs - Dynamite/Butter i.e. most liked by the ARMY, aren't liked by BTS themselves"

It’s not, when you have a title track that is the only having promotions there will be a discrepancy in chart performance. Run BTS was the song everyone wanted to have a performance lol a fan favorite for sure, I’m telling you so you can know because you’re really speaking something that is not true.

And artists can’t pick the song that’ll do best, obviously they’d feel less connected with Dynamite, they didn’t write it, they weren’t even expecting it to do that well, it was going to be just a single with a few performances meant to be a hold on during the pandemic before the album drops.

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It was primarily RM, but others did not disagree with the statement.

And there were separate reports that Suga dislikes or even despises LGO/BE

With Proof and Jhope, the headlines are all about BTS finding their Creative Freedom.

Which implies that they were Creatively Compromised at least in the past 2-3 years.

Yet it is in that compromised period, that they achieved peak of their success, makes it somewhat tragic.

I don't know who should be pitied here, BTS because they had to compromise, or ARMY who after takin BTS to fantastic heights, got a F-U from BTS - saying that what ARMY liked the most, was disliked by them.

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Of course others won’t disagree with the statement. They’re not there to argue, I think some just went along with it. Looked at the video and seems like the some of the members didn’t talk and voice their opinions as much as RM and Suga. So I disagree with you saying that everyone agreed with it. I still think that members like Jungkook and Jimin were okay with the direction but maybe the rap line and V didn’t like the direction. But I agree with you they all wanted to go solo earlier. They all have different music they want to put out (obviously this applies to all groups, they all have to compromise when in a group).

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Why is this iu fan so obsessed with bts? Everyone knows you hate bts and armys. It is actually getting ridiculous now. You made your intentions clear in first 2 days with those ageist remarks. But for someone who acts like a rational user and calls every other kpop fan "fanatic" and tells them their opinion doesn't matter because it comes from stan pov, your obsession with them is getting to the point of unhealthy now. You talk and care more about bts and armys than your own fave and fandom. Get some help because you are acting like a maniac now.

What namjoon said is perfectly clear to armys. The people who don't stan bts are taking his words out of context to push their narratives about bts. They don't care about bts. They just care about their narratives. Rm has multiple times said that dinner video was only for armys and he is sick of these people who have used his words out of context that's why in that letter and today's live he said he feels he shouldn't have released that video. Because of these sick maniacs like this op.

i have noticed this fan always brings up bts in threads that’s not even about them and likes to shade them from time to time in the process. probably had bad interactions with armys on twitter (tbh some armys can be crazy on tw) and then takes it out on bts here. that particular video is like a gift for people who dislike bts/armys to psychoanalyze and twist bts’ words. it is what it is

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no there is nothing to talk about in your post because you watch only some snippets of one video and see the opportunity to push your narrative and take those words out of context and use them against the artist you hate. That video is only for armys because armys know bts and their history which others don't that's why rm said this video is not for anyone other than armys. You are not addressing posts where armys are exposing that your narrative is wrong and now you are making up suga doesn't like lgo. You don't care about anything else other than your narrative. Your hate has been apparent since day 1 so no one should reply your seriously. Because maniacs like you don't care about the topics they just care about pushing their narrative as much as they can.

Iu is important because she is not interesting enough to keep her fans obsessed with her so they get obsessed with other artists. It is worrisome how much you hate an artist. Get some help.

More yada yada.. if you want people to read your posts, learn to use paragraphs, punctuation etc.

But then rants don't need any such.

Don't skip classes.

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Of course others won’t disagree with the statement. They’re not there to argue, I think some just went along with it. Looked at the video and seems like the some of the members didn’t talk and voice their opinions as much as RM and Suga. So I disagree with you saying that everyone agreed with it. I still think that members like Jungkook and Jimin were okay with the direction but maybe the rap line and V didn’t like the direction. But I agree with you they all wanted to go solo earlier. They all have different music they want to put out (obviously this applies to all groups, they all have to compromise when in a group).

Well I can't read their minds, only what they speak and reaction to it or the lack of.

So if they felt different, then find me a reference what Jungkook/Jimin say so. Otherwise..

Of course artists make compromises, part of any job. But the observation made in OP, is simply the irony - that the songs which they made creative compromises, are the most liked by the ARMY.

That's all.

Should I say it is typical ARMY behaviour, to attack the person, than deal with the subject?

But no, not all ARMY are like that, couple of them in AKP itself can handle mature debates.

Infantile ones use laughable arguments like "you hate BTS", "Your fave sucks" etc

Keep it at it, no wonder BTS themselves have better tastes than the likes of such fans.

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And artists can’t pick the song that’ll do best, obviously they’d feel less connected with Dynamite, they didn’t write it, they weren’t even expecting it to do that well, it was going to be just a single with a few performances meant to be a hold on during the pandemic before the album drops

Yet it did fantastically well, their best song on any chart.

Which proves the OP, that what BTS didn't feel connected to, ARMY felt connected in most numbers.

Whereas YTC/Proof being return to what BTS feels connected to, ARMY isn't as connected as they were the Dynamite/Butter.

Of all their songs do well compared to 90% of others, but this is about comparing within BTS'own body of work.

lmao where are people getting that op is an iu fan, projection much? iu rly lives in everyone's mines rent free

there are like 3 iu stans on akp and all 3 have very distinct writing styles

wait.... don't tell me y'all think this is knock knock??? i'm offended on his behalf lmao, where's the history lesson??

it all passed op, no need to keep saying the same thing over and over again. they all have started their new chapter. leave the past behind and look forward to the future.

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wait.... don't tell me y'all think this is knock knock??? i'm offended on his behalf lmao, where's the history lesson??

no it's not knock knock lol... it's kinda obvious who it is, it's the one liking one of the posts in the first page

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also only 1 bts user on this site is as threatened by iu, i see u onlyopinions

don't know about threatened though. definitely will go ultra defensive mode when provoked by the iu fan like belittling bts, etc. but imo onlyopinions is too much sometimes and too cocky. both sides can be wrong... should chillllll and just enjoy

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Yes, and what ARMY likes the most, is disliked by BTS.

You don’t know anything about armys. Armys are not a monolith, something you seem to disregard.

Also it’s weird how you are using BTS biggest songs ever as evidence to prove this is what armys like when these songs only became big because the gp fell in love with these tracks.

Are the gp tracks supposed to decide what songs the fanbase enjoy now?

Since IU has been dragged in, so whatever weird reason, she can serve as a rough analogy.

BE-Butter = Lilac (Commercially the most successful content and an album where IU didn't put her own music, instead worked with new set of people)

Proof = Pieces, fan requested/intended content with only one new song, which by IU's own standards performed less well on the charts.

The same argument can be made as done with BTS, except that IU did not make any statements like she wasn't in control of Lilac or didn't like the direction of that music etc.

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As to users who can't deal with the content, instead rant and whine about OP's motivations, here is quote for them.

It is amazing how many people think that they can answer an argument by attributing bad motives to those who disagree with them.

Using this kind of reasoning, you can believe or not believe anything about anything, without having to bother to deal with facts or logic.

- Thomas Sowell.

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You don’t know anything about armys. Armys are not a monolith, something you seem to disregard.

Also it’s weird how you are using BTS biggest songs ever as evidence to prove this is what armys like when these songs only became big because the gp fell in love with these tracks.

Are the gp tracks supposed to decide what songs the fanbase enjoy now?

Note the word "Most".

The songs enjoyed the "Most" by ARMY, is not enjoyed by BTS themselves.

As to your GP theory, unless you can prove how to differentiate between GP and Fan, it is irrelevant.

Maybe assuming that only fans purchase physical albums, sales of BE/Butter vs. sales of Proof, can be used.

Look it up and let me know.

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it all passed op, no need to keep saying the same thing over and over again. they all have started their new chapter. leave the past behind and look forward to the future.

True, but I like history, so don't mind analysing past events..

@ op, what you're saying is really not that uncommon, even if you're exaggerating it.

taeyeon cried the first time she heard "gee".

iu is grateful to "good day" but has said before she hopes there will be a day when she won't have to put "good day" on her concert track list.

the list goes on.

often the most commercially successful song is NOT a song a singer likes the most. it's just the song that made the most money or shot the singer to super stardom.

dynamite is not army's favorite, even if we wanted to generalize. (that would be "spring day"). would you say "good day" or "you and i" are iu fan's favorite? not every singer's career trajectory is the same either - bts had more creative control mid-career, then loosened it to defer to western producers/experts for western expansion, then are resuming their creative control with their solo work. taeyeon only got creative control when she went solo. iu only fully started taking control of her music 2015 onwards after she renegotiated her contract.

ARMY is not one single person you know.

Btw BTS change their music direction around every 3 years. The kind of songs they released during 2017 are completely different from their 2014 songs. If anything BE and the hidden tracks in the anthology sound more like 2013-15 music. BTS needs a completely new sound but I don't expect anything from Pdogg.

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@ op, what you're saying is really not that uncommon, even if you're exaggerating it.

taeyeon cried the first time she heard "gee".

iu is grateful to "good day" but has said before she hopes there will be a day when she won't have to put "good day" on her concert track list.

the list goes on.

often the most commercially successful song is NOT a song a singer likes the most. it's just the song that made the most money or shot the singer to super stardom.

dynamite is not army's favorite, even if we wanted to generalize. (that would be "spring day"). would you say "good day" or "you and i" are iu fan's favorite? not every singer's career trajectory is the same either - bts had more creative control mid-career, then loosened it to defer to western producers/experts for western expansion, then are resuming their creative control with their solo work. taeyeon only got creative control when she went solo. iu only fully started taking control of her music 2015 onwards after she renegotiated her contract.

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Depends.

It is true, that many creators know the dissonance, where they content they themselves like the most is not as popularly received as something they did casually offhand etc.,

But that is different from the artist saying that they didn't like the art/direction etc., There is a nuance between 'like the most' vs. 'dislike'.

The only measure of ARMY vs GP, or any fandom vs. GP, is the sales of physical albums. Otherwise it is speculative. And Dynamite-BE album sales.. well you can compare it against that of PROOF.

Even if you are presenting that ARMY likes anything BTS puts out a constant rate (which it does not) and Dynamite was boosted only by the GP (again unproven) - you realize that you would be inferring that it was only Dynamite-Butter songs, that had huge GP following, while rest of songs did not. So that is not the right approach.

I don't known about Taeyeon, but if you say so, then she also has had the same experience, if Gee was the most successful of SNSD's work.

And definitely the point in career where the artist was, is also a factor.