Posts by Arashiexque

Quote from essentialm

i never denied any other artists winning it lmao I just answered your question that they did in fact win there. The fact that BOA and TVXQ who are considered the some of the biggest kpop artists during their peak in Japan won it and BTS wins it now just proves Armys point that they are biggest kpop artist atm.

Also are u seriously gonna say Music Station invites TXT, BlackPink, etc. But hasn't invited BTS since they cancelled their performance back in 2018 lol? TXT, BP, ENHYPEN, etc. Bigger than BTS now in Japan now? And BTS was invited back in 2017 to kohaku lol, when they were way less relevant in Japan than now, let's be a little bit logical here lol. + BTS has a history of not attending shows that wronged them, both Kohaku and Music Station cancelled their performance back in 2018 during their controversy and BTS hasn't attended either them despite going on multiple other bigger Japanese award shows and Japanese shows + like I said Kohaku is not as relevant as it used to be nowadays with rating going down each year

I asked if BTS won the "best song" award.... Not an award made up to please the fans. Like how Grammys is about to make the foreign act award just for BTS. Getting award through fan service isn't really the same as actually getting it by deserving it.

What does Music Station have to do with Kohaku which invites the most relevant artists annually? Music Station hasn't been difficult to get into lmfao. Unless we are talking pre-2009. After TVXQ made it in 2009, other acts started to get in quite easily. And I believe BTS did perform in Music Station although they weren't invited after that performance.

But the case still stands that Kohaku never officially said they WENT OUT OF THEIR WAY to invite BTS, and that BTS acted like they had a choice lol. Where is this evidence lol. Bring me an article where for example, the producer of Kohaku says they tried to get BTS. Kohaku is still the MOST PRESTIGIOUS show. It doesn't matter if you think it sucks lol.

Quote from essentialm

BTS doesn't go to Kohaku by choice tho, they haven't attended any Music Station event after Music Station did them dirty back in 2018. It's been leaked that Kohaku has actually visited them in Korea personally multiple times but they never agree to it, the same way they never go on GAON again after the show did them dirty as well in 2017. + Kohaku has been getting less and less relevant each year, it doesn't have the same popularity it used to have.

They literally won "Special International Music Award" which is the highest award they can give a non Japanese act at this award show last year and even performed at the show (and this was considering the fact that they omitted multiple categories like Best Album at the awardshow last year due to COVID and BTS still managed to win something) .

But that is all rumors. Don't you think? BTS has actually attended most of the other events like CDTV, best hit songs, FNS, etc. Why not Kohaku? Because they are suddenly don't want to? Music Station is Asahi. Kohaku is NHK.... different stations here.

Special International Award isn't the "highest" honor for an international artist.... It's not even a traditional award. It has been only made recently. And BTS aren't the only international artists.... TVXQ and BoA are also international artists lol. And all three have been releasing songs either translated into japanese or actual japanese songs for quite a few years.

Quote from myaza

TVXQ does not have any hits on the level of Dynamite or Butter. You cant compare downloads from 10 years ago to downloads today. And even with today's lower downloads level Dynamite is certified Platinum for downloads.

And talking about handshakes is ridiculous, considering the tactics 2nd gen kpop grouops in Japan, like "music cards" and other gimmicks which actually made Oricon to change their rules.

Uh.... Share The World, Stand By U, Keep Your Head Down and Doushite are by far more popular and known than Dynamite lol. Take away 7-8 years. Will people still be singing Dynamite? Maybe? It's catchy song. I give you that. Share The World has triple platinum certification and Doushite has double.... It is a goddamn One Piece song lol. Actually, Share The World is the MOST SOLD One Piece song if you know wtf One Piece is....

Popular songs that are generally liked do get digital download certifications. You just admitted to it lol. You are not going to outright tell me the Japanese public listens to Film Out as a whole.

And please tell me when the heck did TVXQ do handshake events or sell music cards? (which they never did) except in 2007 (handshake event) when they were rookies? That was the only time lmfao. And mind explaining this mate? https://www.usbtsarmy.com/late…he-best-online-talk-event

I understand that you are trying, but when was the last time BTS was invited to Kohaku or if they received the best song selection award from Japan Record Awards?

Quote from myaza

The times were different and physicals sold MORE in Japan than now. Why are you comparing kpop global sales to Japanese sales? It doesnt follow the same trend.

TVXQ was never on Arashi's level and that's it. They werent competing in the top tier of Japanese artists. They never even made it to top 5 of best selling albums yearly and album sales was their strong point.

Are we not gonna talk about those handshake/online events that BTS has been pulling off with their singles and albums? Take those out, and how many are BTS actually selling? Because TVXQ weren't adding events into any of their singles or albums in THEIR PRIME.

Also, Oricon didn't count "digital" sales like they are doing now into their yearly revenue. You do realize TVXQ was on the rise starting from 2008. TVXQ's Oricon revenue was 6.93 billion yen ($90 mil) in 2009 and 9.43 billion yen ($116 mil) in 2010. They were THIRD AND SECOND behind Arashi. And this is NOT INCLUDING DIGITAL SALES. Arashi does not do digital releases. So we wouldn't know how much TVXQ would have actually made, considering TVXQ does have MORE DIGITAL HITS THAN BTS.

Streaming was not in the picture back in TVXQ days, but there is something called the digital download plus chaku uta (ringtones) which was extremely popular. TVXQ was kicking ass in both. Let's talk about the digital certifications. Does BTS have a song that have a triple platinum certification in downloads? TVXQ does. Ever heard of that song called Share The World for idk an anime called One Piece? Check that out. Doushite kimi wo suki ni natte shimattandarou got double platinum. Stand By U, Keep Your Head Down all have platinum. ten other songs have gold certification. BTS only has one song that people would know which is dynamite and maybe butter. That's it lol. The songs I listed for TVXQ was generally known.

Before you say download is irrelevant, JPop acts that do produce hit songs and are relevant do get download certifications if it is PUBLICLY POPULAR like how BTS's Dynamite has platinum certification. It takes public interest to get them whereas streaming could be multiplied by the fans.

H.O.T. = first group in KPop

TVXQ = first group to break through Japan

BigBang = the most popular among general public

BTS = first group to break through U.S.

I think we got an argument for G.O.D. vs EXO since you can't take out those other 4.

Quote from 2techs

What is rookie TVXQ's argument over Shinhwa? Shinhwa won 2 daesangs that year and their album sold 325k according to Wikipedia.

Shinhwa is regarded as 1st gen. And TVXQ felt like a huge wave of 2nd gen storm after 1st gens were slowly drifting away. Their three songs (Hug, My Little Princess, The Way U R) are listed top 100 charts for Bugs, Melon, etc while Shinhwa had Brand New. Shinhwa had a bigger fandom, but there is always that "absence" in time when they "should have" dominated which they lost to H.O.T. and G.O.D. Although TVXQ couldn't get a daesang, they got awards from every major award ceremony which was last time done by Seo Taiji.

Looking at the Korean gp, they generally believe Super Junior were basically remnants of TVXQ after the five members were chosen. It's partially true (considering there were way more than 12 members even after TVXQ were picked). And also, probably because Lee Soo Man himself repeated that statement over and over and over again.... But as someone above said, they are definitely top 3 boy group.