Posts by Timiblaga
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Even if that journalist is lying and made up the text messages content , that does not invalidate that indeed there are text messages presented to the court and that MHJ did not want to disclose them there.....just saying.
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Just because she might be exposed as a lier (which shouldn’t be much of a surprise) please don’t act like those who couldn’t stand her from the very beginning did so because they saw right through her facade. A lot of you didn’t believed her out of loyalty to Hybe or BTS, regardless if she was telling the truth or not. Like be for real lol
out of loyalty, my ass....
Many people did not believe in her because she contradicted herself a lot in her statements, she was a walking red flag in her press conference, her statements showed a lot of ego issues that did not match her imposted modesty, she tried to play the concept of the naive rookie girl in the entertaiment industry when she worked in SM for 17 years, and because she , who believes that shamanism works, went to a shaman to ask her to fuck up another group.
Do you really think that some people did not believe in her just because of loyalty?, you just have to have 2 eyes to read what she sayd and look how she behaved in the press conf to realize that , up there, in some corner of her brain, there is something that dos not click or quite the opposite, clicks a little bit too much
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wasn't there a report that each of NJ members got paid like 5m usd? EACH
i'm pretty sure hybe has recouped most of their costs if they are able to pay 5m each to NJ members
i agree with you that hybe spent a lot on them and without the initial and ongoing investment NJ might not be as successful today
i'm pretty sure if hybe manages to retain NJ and remove MHJ that there will be repercussions for all tbose involved
you should read up on it - it was just as dramatic as this situation
I suppose that they got amortized the money that they invested, but i dont forgive backstabbing and ill intentions ( if they are unjustified)
If you tell me that Hybe did a lot of money with them but they paid them with pocket money or had them in a room old and dirty or whatever , i would be pro fuck over Hybe, but those girls were in no way mistreated for what we know, lots of money in the bank, luxury dorm, and promoted much better than anyone, even than the ones who built Hybe, so the lack of greetings in the elevator does not justify the backstabbing.
Oh no, my drama gluttony is satisfied with just this one, more is a sin.
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$$$$ my friend solves all problems
and NJ is making a shit tonne of money for Ador/Hybe (or will do so assuming their current trajectory)
so you'd just let them go - doesn't that set a precedent?
like what's to stop any kpop group from doing the same thing and badmouthing their head or their current one company and their producers to try to get out of a contract
isn't that what the 3 members of 5050 did they got somewhat successful and were either lured in by false pretenses or they just wanted out of their contracts - the difference is 5050 aren't as successful as NJ are lol
now I would understand if NJ were less successful - in that I don't think hybe would be putting as much of a fight if NJ were flops
Money calls money, try to reduce the investment on them to average levels and see what is their success, the money that Hybe put on them was not just about MVs, they pushed them in all fronts and that costs a lot ... and helps a lot too.
About the precedent, I did not say that i would let them go without a cost...if you tried to fuck me over, i hope that you wait the same treatment.
I know nothing about 5050 and what exctley happened to them so i am not going to answer that because that, i dont know
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I have the same proof about them knowing than you about them not knowing
because of that i write IF, IF this is this way, I would think this way... because the chance of them knowing exists.
Please, take care of your narrative.
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If they knew and agreed with it, what is the point of having people who betrayed you, even afterall the investment that they did on them? we are not talking about idk, their contract ended and they decided to go to another company forgetting the money that they put on them, we are talking about a company who was created by Hybe, given for free to MHJ , company which she wanted to take over illegally, if you know this , accept it and support it, you dont deserve anything that you have.
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I dunno Hybe???
I mean if I was hybe and I wanted NJ/parents on my side I would say hey NJ sorry to burst your bubble(gum) but look at what your second mother wrote about you and hopefully turn them over to my side so to speak
NJ and/or their parents knowledge is very key but I dunno if they would even speak about it directly
Them not knowing about the alleged chats does not change that they could have known MHJ alleged illegal activities and still agreed to it but they ok with taking mllions in investment from Hybe.
If i was Hybe i woud not want them or their daughters at all.
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the issue with NJ and their parents petition is whether they knew of the chat records prior to making the petition or not...
and would they change their mind post the chat records being released...
obviously there's still the question of the authenticity of the records themselves and whether a court would accept them
I dont think that their parents knew about the chats, who was gonna tell them?
For me , the issue is if they knew what MHJ was doing or trying to do (allegedly) ,something ilegal to take over Ador, if they knew what her intentions were and they supported it , dismissing the investment that Hybe put on NJ, if they are conscious about it and agreed with it, they are the same than MHJ and should be treated the same.
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Some people here accusing others of being company stans when they look like rabid fans from MHJ.....
I am going to put aside the alleged text messages and all the shit that went down, you dont need them to realize that this woman has some psychological/psychiatric issue, you just have to watch the press conference longer than 5 minutes.
It was pure emotional manipulation on full display.
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If what Hybe states about MHJ is really true , NJ fans can be happy that they still want to promote them.
Because if NJ and their parents knew what allegedly MHJ did and still support her, I would not be benevolent with any of those 3, the dungeon for one and a half year would be a birthday party for them in comparison.
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There is more than one type of plagiarism and what you're describing is direct plagiarism but there are other types such as patchwork plagiarism. In any case, what MHJ said was that Belift copied the production formula of NJs too much.
Plagiarism is a complex topic and one that has murky area. I think the closest thing I can think of is in screenwriting. For example,
"In screenwriting, the old system of mailing a physical copy of your screenplay to yourself to prove you are the owner does not ultimately protect against piracy. Filmmakers are often accused of copying dialogues, characters, screenplay, and plots. Not only this, but they also copy launch posters from other films. But most times, the accused defend themselves by saying they were inspired by or adapted the actual work. Some well-known plagiarism cases in the film industry....
Disney’s “The Lion King” was released in 1994, and Japanese Animator Osamu Tezuka’s “Kimba – The White Lion” aired in 1965. In both cases, the stories centered on an African lion cub whose father was murdered by the villain. The movies shared similar antagonists, supporting characters, scenes, and shots."
I don't think I need to belabor the point here.
Tell me, what is the NJ production formula?
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big hit could've accused the kpop industy as a whole of a lot of plagiarism
well.. blood, sweet and tears era....
Concepts are used and reused by a lot of groups.
you can see same movements in choreos from differnt groups.
Promotions are copied over and over again, a lot of kpop groups did the same touring in TV shows that BTS did previously, some of them even hired the previous manager.
and i can go on and on.
And this go further than kpop or music industry, like you literally have the whole market full of products that are inspirations of others that are more expensive or from other brands
legally , you cant do anything because its no plagiarism.
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And people still dont understand what plagiarism is.....that Hybe did it on purpose, probably , but those things are not plagiarism, the visuals, sound, promotions, conncepts , whatever , are not intelellectual property from Ador, MHJ or NJ, those things dont belong to them, the same that it does not belong to Japanese groups who seems to be the inspiration for NJ.
According to you all, whatever group going to BBMas for performing is plagiarizing BTS, when all kpop groups started to release their singles on Friday instead of tuesday to have better chances on BB, did they plagiarize BTS?
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Do you understand what input and involvement mean? I am not talking monetary capital or Hybe name but I am talking about the level of involvement he has with some of his other groups be it with regards to concepts or music. Regarding capital, how can he refuse to put the initial capital into the business when that was assured to MHJ?
For someone who claims to dislike Bang, I do not see why you need to defend his assholery? If this happened multiple times then he was definitely an ass, especially if some one greeted him. Do I think it is equivalent to severe mistreatment, obviously not, but does not mean his behaviour is not petty and one has to wonder where it comes from...these petty motivations of his because he isn't like this with everyone. So like I said above, Bang seems to have a tendency to play favourites as is becoming apparent. In fact for a while I would say MHJ was also a favourite of his, not her group, but MHJ as an exec, which is why he would go above and beyond to praise her and give her whatever she demanded, till things soured between them.
Also what you are talking about with regards to resources, IIRC, Ador broke even and started making profits pretty early on so did they actually receive anymore funding after the initial stage or plough in their own profits is something some Ador stan can clarify.
When you say involvement in a general sense, it means what it means, involvement, when you give your resources to help someone , you are getting involved.
"Regarding capital, how can he refuse to put the initial capital into the business when that was assured to MHJ?"
that does not answer my question, if you dont want other groups being more successful that yours, you dont create a side company ,put someone as CEO, lend her moeny to purchase shares, offer your trainees, assure the CEO all your resources and actually give them all, its no like BSH had some debt with MHJ and this was the way to pay her, he did that because he wanted to do it not because he had some obligation... this is not a way to defend him , its just me stating that it does not make sense to me. If i dontwant you to be better than me, i dont give you the tools to help you be better than me.
I did not state in any comment that BSH is not an asshole, or petty or whatever but i have stated multiple times that i think that he is quite hipocrite for the way that he moves in businness, something that unortunately is quite usual among all these companies, literally i dont know where you all get that i am defending him or Hybe just because i have more doubts about MHJ honesty in this issue, for various reasons.
Regarding funding, you dont know if the money that you invest into someone will be amortized, there is no way that you cancertainly know this before putting the money, idk, maybe BSH has some crystal ball or another shaman...
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I did not listen to any of their songs, but i suposse its not like Illit copied and pasted it NJ songs, THAT would be considered plagiarism.
But if their plagiarism accusations are based on 5 girls who dont wear makeup with long black hair, aside some hand movements and some choreo, sorry, but this is just so unserious.
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Selling the stock to pay the lease for an house is a defense that will be difficult to disprove by Hybe. They could only say that the VP signing the lease contract was part of the scheme.
The only thing that I missed from Ador's statement is an explanation for the discussion held on March 16.
During a conversation between Representative Min and Deputy Representative L on March 16, when Deputy Representative L predicted a stock price crash, saying, “If the Adore dispute becomes an issue, it will fall drastically,” Representative Min responded, “Of course.”
According to Ador the stock discussions were all about Illit's plagirazing them. This is what Ador says about it in their statement:
Contrary to their claims, the KakaoTalk content claimed by Hive is about discussing countermeasures if the 'Aillet plagiarism issue' continues. In the event that the internal complaint is not accepted, the final method is to report the contents to the Fair Trade Commission, file an external petition to the effect that the plagiarism is unfair, or notify the person that the plagiarism is unfair through the Unfair Competition Prevention Act. This takes into account methods, etc.
But those two statements don't exactly align with each other. March 16 was before Illit debuted and before NewJeans parents started to raise the plagirazing complaints. So what exactly is the Ador dispute they were talking about on March 16?Do these people understand what is plagiarism?.....
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Bang PD hates MHJ but was not above giving a loan to her? Seeing how you claimed he knew her mentality and so stayed away from Newjeans, then why did he give her a loan?
Your whole argument and premise is noxious tbh, he had very good relations with MHJ till most of last year as can be seen from their chats and things only soured between them completely this year. Him not acknowledging Newjeans members is more of him being an asshole who mostly plays favourites than him wanting to avoid Me Too allegations. Could also be his ego that they succeeded without much of his inputs or involvement and were doing better than his own gg LSFM.
stating that they suceeded without much of his involvement is a little bit...untrue.
The faces of Hybe are BTS and him since the beginning, so they debuted under a stablished brand that could give them everything to put them out there and get what they got.
whoever thinks that they would have got the same success without Hybe platform should check their reality perception.
Regarding the ego, all people in high power have ego, but I dont understand a thing, if you ego is easily bruised to the point o getting petty and salty because a girlgroup no created by you is having more success than the one that you created, why do you put to their disposition all you resources to begin with?
They gave them everything since the beginning, if i dont want other group to have more success than my groups, i dont grant them with more resources than my groups..
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This goes for the one who played the victim about how she was the public enemy n1.
This is what you said to me quoting one of my comments
"Your comments have been largely absent of rational argumentation, so it makes your cries for rational complaints fall on deaf ears"
If you are going to play victim and whining about how you have being insulted being called irrational by me, try to remember that you did it first, that way , we would have saved ourselves from the drama of the tokkie savior who throws a tantrum because someone did the same than them, and that its unnacceptable
