none of them did, what even is payola? they are not on social media farming engagements, their respective songs were good, and were up to the public's taste, the company did their job in that regard and promoted the song for it to reach the public, simple.
Posts by Hopeful09
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No but fans behaviour really intrigues me, not only K-pop stans but across all entertainement industries, I catch myself sometimes thinking who's bigger or who's more successful? and I reprimand myself after "how is that any of my business" cause whatever group is certainly not going to write my name on the credits of their songs nor would they give me a cut of their profits but it still happens often, is it parasocialism doing its magic? And why is this so widespread? It's amusing.
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I'd say you're making a great deal of a problem from nothing, like any industry and life in general some succeed, some not, some succeed better than others, and success itself can't be defined, for some succeeding is doing what they want and being secure, for others it's making a lot of money or getting a university degree... we as kpop fans have no power to make kpop idols succeed, a lot of factors come into play, and you'd be just miserable if you think you have any say in the matter.
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I hate to admit it but that woman knows what she's doing, newjeans whether you find their music enjoyable or not are doing amazing and that in different markets around the world, and the image that woman crafted for them is fitting like a glove, they are pulling it off well. I am pretty sure, they'll continue to do well for at least 3 to 4 years and then they can switch off to a more mature image but still within what you'd expect them to do.
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in my opinion, if anyone is doing anything innovative in kpop, it's the huge body of behind the scene workers who work on the concept, music and help manage and train the idols, idols in gneral just get handed the material and have no creative controle whatsoever, it's sad because I can see some idols wanting to show a piece of themselves to the world but can't.
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I swear, one of the most popular replies I get for my takes on Fifty Fifty is "So what if they lost the Barbie stuff, they wouldn't even get maneh for that". You freaking bafoons, have you spent a day in any industry? Do you know what it means to have your name attached to something big even if you didn't do shit and didn't earn shit? You're instantly in the club, you made it.
It would've been an instant one hit wonder allegations beater. Like anytime someone says that, I would personally jump on them and say "nah dude, they did the freaking Barbie stuff, stfu".
Honestly yall learned nothing from BAP situation. Yes, the company was evil, yes they got screwed, but they were BAP that was one of the top boy groups and now they are all nobodies, except for one member who is constantly in news for his crimes.
If bad contracts are like slavery, the public lawsuit drama is a death sentence. You should resolve your problems with company behind the scenes while continuing to work. That's the only winning way.
and why should you care whether they are in the wrong or not? and if you happen to care, I have news for you, each one of us has different circumstances and different ambitions, we don't know for sure what exactly those 5050 girls are aiming for and what they are going through.
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The 'lost opportunities ' were going to benefit the Attrakt owner and whatever new group he was going to launch.
probably.
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All these newbie accounts are so sus lmao.
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I still stand by my opinion that Fifty Fifty are stupid tho, cause whether they are right or wrong the timing they chose couldn't be worse. Their entire momentum is wasted. The Barbie movie is gonna be huge. FF will always regret missing the opportunity to be associated with it.
stupid? those girls are like 20-18 years old, no one thinks properly at that age, they just do whatever, it's not like they were going to benefit from those so-called lost opportunities, they were probably not getting paid so why not? might just as well expose everything.
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some armies are doing too much trying to prove that those people are not part of the fandom, when in fact it shouldn't even matter, a select few 10 years olds acting like trolls on the internet was, is and will never be a problem, it's not like being an army is the most important part of one's indentity, it's just a hobby people enjoy, a person acting like an uncultured vulgar hater is never because they are part of so or so fandom, it's just they lack tact. also, han sohee does not care, she's getting paid (probably) while featuring in an MV with Jungkook, one of the most popular idols globally.
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Who cares if op thinks newjeans are the best, but I have to say, some of you take kpop way too seriously.
For me, dance is an art form with a technical basis, I have no knowledge about the specifics so I'll refrain from making judgements, I enjoy kep1er though, their lvly dance practice was regal and Hikaru really can bust some moves, it's satisfying.
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Sullyoon is not doing as well as Karina, Wonyoung... Because various factors came into play:
1-nmixx are not doing as good as the other groups in their generation, they are obviously doing well and even growing after each comeback but they are not apart of the top ones.
2-sullyoon was not JYP's priority and they did not push her since the beginning.
3-the vibe, she gives is that of an awkward teenage girl who is calm and collected, which I believe is her branding, I don't think it works with her though, as said above, she is not only gorgeous, she is a good singer too, which somehow contradicts that specific type of branding, if she acted like minjoo of lovelyz, maybe she'd have a chance to compete with the other visuals.
I think there's plenty of room for growth, she can do better in the future.
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that "it factor" or whatever else it's called is complete bias, it's just the way kpop fans deal with the unfairness in the world, there is nothing like that in my opinion, some idols just fare better because they have better ressources.
Bora is a strange case, people always feign like they appreciate her but never actually vote for her or support her, and now, they turned against her just because they never really cared about her in the first place.
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Branding does play a part, but these things aren't the same. Branding can only do so much if you don't have the actual personality to support that brand. As for Jooe, yes, she was known as the comedian of the group, but that's exactly my point. She was known. You say Jooe wasn't popular but the general public actually knew her and she had her own solo brand endorsement and cfs, something you can't say the same about Sullyoon. That is my point. JYP could give Sullyoon Jooe's "brand" tomorrow, but because she comes across as very subdued and anyone would be able to clock that she was either forcing it or uncomfortable and it would be awkward. And also, why are you pointing out that Jooe wasn't known for being gorgeous as if that wasn't literally my point? I'm saying her personality and charm are what got her to that level, not her looks.
a lot of idols like irene for example have shown that the company pushes a certain "personality" on them. whether a certain individual could pull it off or not is completly up to them. and how are you sure that that certain behaviour observed from sullyoon's part is not her branding? a naive fairy like visual is a solid branding, and how are you sure that sullyoon is failing as an idol? jyp does not push individual promotions until years after debut, she is still pretty well-known and is even part of the visual trinity. Jooe became popular then because the idol market needed someone like her, think a little if a certain type of visuals calls for a certain type of branding then the lack of visuals calls for another type of branding, Jooe is talented and funny but there are other idols just as funny and talented but did not get the same chances.
more or less, personality will never account for anything in the idol world because we do not know these people first and we do not have the right to put labels on them second, it's literally their job.
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I would also add personality/charm.
Visuals are probably one of the most important things when it comes to being an idol, but personality/charm is almost just as important. If you don't have any personality/charm, you can end up Sullyoon, a flower without a scent. Whereas we had someone like Momoland Jooe, who stood out and became well-known to the general public because of her strong character rather than her looks.
correction : branding, no one is showing his true personnality to the public, they are showing what the company instructed them to show, fans are not entitled to know more than they should. and Jooe is not that popular, she was known to be the comedian of the group, the girl that they pity because she was not meeting the beauty standard. they gave her some attention for a while until they hopped to the new funny not so gorgeous girl.
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ayyy come on... sakura isn't the best singer for sure, but she is a REALLY good dancer and has good sp. ofc, at the starting she may have made it in to izone due to her visuals, but there will always be people judging her nonetheless. visuals dont have it that easy. one reason that bad vocalists are even in kpop is due tot he fact that they are good at something else. eg. momo is not a good singer but she is an out-of-the-world dancer. that's why she made it into the kpop industry.
however, yes, i do agree that visuals play A HUGE FACTOR in kpop. like the ru next surviavl show, ppl alr picking their faves based on their VISUALS! i mean, that's just kinda sad right?
I like Sakura, she is funny, kind and really pretty but I would like her more if she was for example an influencer, a comedian, an MC... and no, I don't think she is particularly good at dancing and sp either, the other lesserafim members catch my attention more and that while being more well-rounded (except eunchae but she's a child so...)
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i do agree that kpop as an industry is more hyper focused on looks than in other markets, but that doesn’t negate my point. The baseline for what’s required at the minimum to pass as “acceptable singing skills” differs between kpop and other pop markets, but as long as you pass that threshold, vocal talents alone do not determine whether you end up on top or not, be it in kpop or anywhere rlse
fair point, I do agree to a certain extent.
