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Posts by momo5001
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Nope. Milk dumping is the last straw. The govt has banned paid voting survival show and any reality show suspected of evil/biased editing can be canceled midway.
actually i read the specifics of the ban. they only banned shows that use voting systems that allow the purchasing of votes whether directly with money or through merchandise. i think they will alter it to fit the new criteria where they cant pay for votes (only in audience voting) or straight up reality show with only judges
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just an update cuz im so pissed that YT deleted this channel, Real Xinjiang, just as it was starting to gain traction and a few hundred thousand subscribers. Talk about free speech man. Hundreds of videos, thousands of Uighur voices deleted. Real people just sharing their opinions about their hometown and culture. My old playlist links not working anymore cuz so many videos were deleted. I spent hours compiling videos, now I have to find them elsewhere. All my freakin hard work. Now I need redo everything again. People don't even know the real meaning of censorship.
https://tinyurl.com/lololfunnyvid
Companies are the one who should really avoid politicizing matters if they haven't figured out the situation or they're gonna lose a huge portion of the consumer market. And claiming lies. Shame on them. I am never buying from H&M again in my life.
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I loved everglow bon bon chocolat from the beginning, but when I found out their company was chinese, I knew it meant trouble... china and south korea have never had good relationships, in fact, many countries got bad opinion of china, so I waited for something to happen, and then yiren had to post, maybe she didn't post, maybe her company did 'cause chinese artists have to talk highly of china to the world or got banned.
I think singers should just sing, not engage in political stuff, but I guess china use their artists as a way of propaganda
i dont think so. she stated in a conversation with a fan at an event in 2020 that she is very proud to be chinese and would like to speak chinese everywhere but because she's working in korea she's restricted. also if being a singer means she can't speak her political opinions, isn't that restricting her free speech? shouldn't all opinions be able to be expressed? and if you dont know her personally, why do you say she's being forced? why condemn her for being proud of her country? not every chinese celebrity posted about it on social media. many ppl didn't. most of them choose to because they want to and they're active on social media. the gov doesnt give a fck about whether they post support or not. she doesn't have to, she can continue being a singer without posting. its not like she's even popular enough to have an brand endorsements that coincide with this issue.
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dude ik. cuz of the milk wasting scandal right? i think they'll do some sort of replacement for it, like a reality show or something.
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Would be interesting if Avex sends people again.
I don't really know who Avex could send if they really would but I could imagine Maria to go
But I am not sure what Chinese people would think if she would audition, because she was Miss Japan 2020 o.o
Thats just a thought of me ok
wow she's pretty. i guess it depends on if she can sing and dance. she probably needs to know basic chinese like nene tho.
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two.
the gu family book
grudge: revolt of the gumiho, i watched this with my mom when i was a kid, it was freaky af but kim yoojung is a main character in it and i really like these historical dramas with a bit of a supernatural twist.
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bro the point was to look at the peer reviewed articles and statistics. they're from 2000-2011 written by mostly Americans and a Hongkonger. u literally ignored the scientific facts and went straight to watching the videos. and u misspelled naive.
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I'll happily cancel her, she's disgusting
idk why i feel so compelled to defend her, i dont even like her but...
imma put add my stance on this since I’ve followed the subject for a while:
In 2009, 2011 and 2014, attacks were led by a few Uighurs in Xinjiang, aka “separatist movement,” k*lling residents indiscriminately with bombs and other weapons. The 2009 Urumqi riot is known to be instigated by Rebiya Kadeer, pres of Uighur American Association. The smaller 2014 incident had two perpetrators who set off a bomb, k*lling 3 (incl. the 2 bombers) and injuring 79 in XJ. A few more incidents here and there. Whether they were trying to cause trouble, free people or become dictators is up for you to deicide. Some of these “Muslims’” beliefs included making women stay at home, get married early and didn’t allow school, which happens to be compulsory in China. When some girls were prevented from going to school, the police found out and put them in “education centers”aka “camps” in the west. Both the adult and the kid. When violence occurred, the police stepped in and arrested all of them during attacks. Western media simply called it a "protest squashed by the gov.” It’s a handful of extremists out of a population of 20+ million in XJ, like 0.0001% so it’s even common. The majority live in peace and have basic human rights. The gov kept attackers alive. They are in jail right now and the younger ones who were teens back then are being rehabilitated aka de-radicalized in the "camps/reeducation centers." Again the information on these camps is really limited, so its hard to find info in English. Basically, there's 2 stances. China claims these policies as de-radicalization of terrorism and poverty alleviation while mainstream media calls it ethnic genocide and crimes against humanity.
Regarding news about atrocities happening to Uighurs, has anyone seen a real ACTUAL clip of Uighurs being rap*d, t*rtured, or k*lled? Any camera footage of the CCP committing this? Witnesses can be bought off. Words can be fake. Crying in a video. A viral video claimed to have been the CCP torturing a Uighur for reading a Quran was found to be Indonesian police beating a local thief. Many detention camp pictures were found to have come from protests in Turkey. So many examples being debunked, but they never get reported in mainstream media. People are easily sucked into something called atrocity theory and end up feeling strongly about the topic despite only seeing few “testimonials” because it evokes sympathy, and you feel like helping. People like me who do research on it get labelled as deniers or ccp shill. whatev.
Something I found interesting is why the media targeted only Uighurs instead of 54 other ethnic minorities in China. For 10+ years. Xinjiang is full of fossil fuels, rich farmland, and a strategic location for trans-continental trade (my fellow americans, yall mustve heard what happened in afghanistan recently, right? coincidentally its right next to XJ, hmmm…) Uighurs just happen to all live in that region. From my research, ethnic minorities in China are entitled to privileges like farming or housing subsidies, extra points on college exams, full scholarships, 80% subsidized healthcare, treatment before paying, etc. Policy-wise, China treats its minorities well and better than Han Chinese. BBC paints the region in a bad light (literally) using grey filters of whatever footage they have from Xinjiang, satellite images, edited versions of interviews w random Uighurs. Most ppl reporting this, AHEM John Oliver, never even travelled there nor met the people/culture.
Regarding genocide, if you look at demographics, there are current 12.8 mil Uighurs in China and all concentrated in Xinjiang (this is a universally accepted figure), up from 9.9 mil in 2010, and their population DOUBLED in the last 4 decades. Now go look at the UCLA paper from 2011 on Uyghurs called “Migration and Inequality in Xinjiang” (Howell and Fan). It states Xinjiang total pop was 3.6 mil in 1945 (end of page 122) and on the next page, Table 1, Xinjiang demographics in 1945, Uyghurs were 82.7% of the total pop. Calculate that and u get 2.977 mil of Uighurs in 1945 in XJ, now compare that to 12.8 million in 2020, Over 4 times the pop. How did genocide cause the population to increase by 330%? Simply put, it never happened because the 1 child policy didn’t apply to them or other ethnic minorities, it only applied to the Han Chinese ethnicity in China. I would’ve used the plentiful Chinese .cn or .gov articles and statistics floating around online but no one would believe me. And someone tried to deny it by telling me that UCLA, a public university in the US, was funded by the CCP, can u believe it?? I mean my cousin is a prof at UCSF and I’m a student at a public research university. I know how funding and sh*t works. I found several other peer reviewed articles on demographics, but the idiot wouldn’t believe me.
About the camps, too lazy to write. Watch a british guy called Jason Living in China on YT. He gives a great explanation about satellite images and camps. With regard to figures, like 1 million, ppl quoted this from an NGO called CERD, which employed at the time ONE employee. Gave no evidence to back up their estimate.
Uighurs are an Eurasian “ethnic group” not a religious group. Not all Uighurs are Muslims. Historically they were not Muslim, they were Buddhist or atheists or some other spiritual beliefs. Islam gradually spread there when Turks moved there (circa 11-15th century AD, since historically there was a lot of fighting over territory). That’s why the XJ region is so complex. It's been a melting pot of cultures since the Silk Road several thousand years ago, serving as a midway point for China and Persia. Almost a whole millennia before Islam was even born, the Silk Road opened in 130 B.C.E. A large portion of Uighurs practice Islam but it's different from how it looks in the Middle East or Africa. Some women wear headscarves or hair wraps but only covering the hair or a veil down to the neck (mostly elderly). Some wear the ethnic Uighur (doppa) cap or keep their hair loose. Men CAN grow beards (usually old ppl) and wear the doppa. Foreign media reports these differences as evidence of ethnic cleansing.🙄 They pray at mosques too. China spent billions building mosques for them in recent decades. they are actually so beautiful. 24,000 mosques in just XJ. look up some travel vlogs to Xinjiang on YT if u don’t believe me. Most positive info on XJ is usually not promoted on YT and don’t show up in searches unless searched for VERY specifically. Not gonna point names but a lot of websites/social media have certain automated algorithms that suppress certain videos. Some sites block/delete comments or video links when I try to comment on popular ones, like a PARTICULAR recent 9 mil view video where a guy with an annoying British accent talked about China. Talk about free speech. 🙄
Please watch some interviews or some of the self-made videos of real Uyghur voices.
@ tinyurl.com/REALUYGHURS
People need to stop acting like experts on Uighurs. None of us have even visited. It makes no sense to condone a whole ethnic group to accusations that you have not witnessed personally nor understand fully. Or listen to silly little political commentators on this. Or people like Udo Ulfkotte and Adrian Zenz. He’s a freakin Christian, why is he even researching Muslims???
I would love to see real evidence or testimonial of someone who was allegedly forced to pick cotton. Not just two blurred faces standing next to a ginormous pile of machine picked cotton on a BBC article. Someone find me evidence. I believed in Xinjiang genocide for nearly half a decade and now, I just these media reports find it funny. Hilarious.
Just because Uighurs don’t actively share their lives with outsiders doesn’t mean they’re oppressed or unhappy. Why do they have to prove anything to strangers? Why should farmers need to prove that they’re farming on their own land?
Also I’m sure all those Chinese kpop idols prolly know more about xinjiang than any us us since they were born in China and it’s a popular tourist location for Chinese ppl. If you don’t like an idol’s political views, its fine, don’t support them. They’re just posting their views based on their personal life experiences. We can’t just assume they’re being used for political purposes if we don’t know what’s going on in their minds.
References:
(mostly for cherry-picking statistics cuz its all pretty one sided)
Howell and Fan (Migration) https://geog.ucla.edu/sites/default/files/users/fan/403.pdf
Toops (East Turkestan/XJ) https://www.jstor.org/stable/23615555?seq=1
Remi Castes (Malaise) https://journals.openedition.org/chinaperspectives/648
Testimonials (TURN ON CAPTIONS) https://www.youtube.com/watch?…LnLIvgADPbOOad5qi&index=2
Travel/Street Food Vlogs (mostly 2015-2017)
tinyurl.com/XJtravelvlogs (playlist)
XJ Cotton Farming/Anni Guli
tinyurl.com/XJfarmers (playlist)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xbnXINy6_8 recorded oct 2018, uploaded 2019
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHWcqGtjP2U reuploaded with eng subs just now
The Lovely BBC article that started it all
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/ext…6v8c/china-tainted-cotton
also btw John Sudworth just fled china after being sued by Xinjiang residents and local businesses for defamation, lmao. he didn’t even tell the foreign correspondent office or whatev procedures u gotta do, just left lol. technically he’s protected by international law so if he’s innocent he doesn’t hafta worry, but… lol
i just want everyone to be more educated on the issue.
and victoria is just a bystander who happens to be caught up in this issue
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Case in point
Yes the CCP has been rounding up Uighurs/other in Xinjiang if they suspect them of "un-patriotic activities" with their prevalent surveillance operation in Xinjiang, many people have been arrested.
Many have been forced to "re-training/re-educational" facilities.
Yes many have been put to work in "job teaching programs" Some of them are involved in picking cotton.
Is that forced labor, yes, is that slavery, no.
Yes, many Uighurs and other Chinese people do work freely in the Cotton industry and blanket bans on the industry punishes those that are not involved with the "educational programs"
Yes, many on the west are using this as an excuse to escalate trade protectionist policies against China.
Yes, many companies and celebrities are being caught in the middle and many make decisions with out knowing all the details of what is really going on in Xianjiang. (understandable since getting factual information out of Xianjiang is very difficult since it is an area that has restricted access just like Tibet).
https://www.reuters.com/articl…labour-trfn-idUSKBN28P2CM
So the west sees it as forced labor by the CCP
The CCP sees it as a job training program.
And bias information flow that support each POV.
i dont think you're completely right about the forced labor, its not really true, they can choose to do whatever they're offered after the job training but the other option is going home back to their dilapidated house in the mountains or rural place and live out their lives in poverty. after being educated about modern society, i think most ppl would more likely choose a real job rather than go back to whatever they did before. the majority do choose jobs like opening small businesses, tourism and other stuff. i've never heard of cotton picking tho since the majority of the harvesting is mechanized rn. and in the old days, local uighurs who own the land often hire migrant workers who are han chinese.
and yes the ccp does round up the handful of "un-patriotic" uighurs, but its more so as a anti-terrorist tactic than anything else. some radicalized gov officials would go as far as putting extreme religious and separatist teachings that promote violence in kids textbooks. that's why they get jailed or thrown in camps. it's kind of for the safety of the public. so kids don't become radicalized and start bombing things. or have extreme jihad thoughts.
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imma put add my stance on this since I’ve followed the subject for a while:
In 2009, 2011 and 2014, attacks were led by a few Uighurs in Xinjiang, aka “separatist movement,” k*lling residents indiscriminately with bombs and other weapons. The 2009 Urumqi riot is known to be instigated by Rebiya Kadeer, pres of Uighur American Association. The smaller 2014 incident had two perpetrators who set off a bomb, k*lling 3 (incl. the 2 bombers) and injuring 79 in XJ. A few more incidents here and there. Whether they were trying to cause trouble, free people or become dictators is up for you to deicide. Some of these “Muslims’” beliefs included making women stay at home, get married early and didn’t allow school, which happens to be compulsory in China. When some girls were prevented from going to school, the police found out and put them in “education centers”aka “camps” in the west. Both the adult and the kid. When violence occurred, the police stepped in and arrested all of them during attacks. Western media simply called it a "protest squashed by the gov.” It’s a handful of extremists out of a population of 20+ million in XJ, like 0.0001% so it’s even common. The majority live in peace and have basic human rights. The gov kept attackers alive. They are in jail right now and the younger ones who were teens back then are being rehabilitated aka de-radicalized in the "camps/reeducation centers." Again the information on these camps is really limited, so its hard to find info in English. Basically, there's 2 stances. China claims these policies as de-radicalization of terrorism and poverty alleviation while mainstream media calls it ethnic genocide and crimes against humanity.
Regarding news about atrocities happening to Uighurs, has anyone seen a real ACTUAL clip of Uighurs being rap*d, t*rtured, or k*lled? Any camera footage of the CCP committing this? Witnesses can be bought off. Words can be fake. Crying in a video. A viral video claimed to have been the CCP torturing a Uighur for reading a Quran was found to be Indonesian police beating a local thief. Many detention camp pictures were found to have come from protests in Turkey. So many examples being debunked, but they never get reported in mainstream media. People are easily sucked into something called atrocity theory and end up feeling strongly about the topic despite only seeing few “testimonials” because it evokes sympathy, and you feel like helping. People like me who do research on it get labelled as deniers or ccp shill. whatev.
Something I found interesting is why the media targeted only Uighurs instead of 54 other ethnic minorities in China. For 10+ years. Xinjiang is full of fossil fuels, rich farmland, and a strategic location for trans-continental trade (all my fellow americans, yall mustve heard what happened in afghanistan recently, right? and coincidentally its right next to XJ, hmmm…) Uighurs happen to all live there. From my research, ethnic minorities in China are entitled to privileges like farming or housing subsidies, extra points on college exams, full scholarships, 80% subsidized healthcare, treatment before paying, etc. Policy-wise, China treats its minorities well and better than Han Chinese. BBC paints the region in a bad light (literally) using grey filters of whatever footage they have from Xinjiang, satellite images, edited versions of interviews w random Uighurs. Most ppl reporting this, AHEM John Oliver, have never even travelled there nor met the people and culture.
Regarding genocide, if you look at demographics, there are current 12.8 mil Uighurs in China and all concentrated in Xinjiang (this is a universally accepted figure), up from 9.9 mil in 2010, and their population DOUBLED in the last 4 decades. Now go look at the UCLA paper from 2011 on Uyghurs called “Migration and Inequality in Xinjiang” (Howell and Fan). It states Xinjiang total pop was 3.6 mil in 1945 (end of page 122) and on the next page, Table 1, Xinjiang demographics in 1945, Uyghurs were 82.7% of the total pop. Calculate that and u get 2.977 mil of Uighurs in 1945 in XJ, now compare that to 12.8 million in 2020, Over 4 times the pop. How did genocide cause the population to increase by 330%? Simply put, it never happened because the 1 child policy didn’t apply to them or other ethnic minorities, it only applied to the Han Chinese ethnicity in China. I would’ve used the plentiful Chinese .cn or .gov articles and statistics floating around online but no one would believe me. And someone tried to deny it by telling me that UCLA, a public university in the US, was funded by the CCP, can u believe it?? I mean my cousin is a prof at UCSF and I’m a student at a public research university. I know how funding and sh*t works. I found several other peer reviewed articles on demographics, but the idiot wouldn’t believe me.
About the camps, too lazy to write. Watch a british guy called Jason Living in China on YT. He gives a great explanation about satellite images and camps. With regard to figures, like 1 million, ppl quoted this from an NGO called CERD, which employed at the time ONE employee. Gave no evidence to back up their estimate.
Uighurs are an Eurasian “ethnic group” not a religious group. Not all Uighurs are Muslims. Historically they were not Muslim, they were Buddhist or atheists or some other spiritual beliefs. Islam gradually spread there when Turks moved there (circa 11-15th century AD, since historically there was a lot of fighting over territory). That’s why the XJ region is so complex. It's been a melting pot of cultures since the Silk Road several thousand years ago, serving as a midway point for China and Persia. Almost a whole millennia before Islam was even born, the Silk Road opened in 130 B.C.E. Currently a large portion of Uighurs practice Islam but it's different from how it looks in the Middle East or Africa. Some women wear headscarves or hair wraps but only covering the hair or a veil down to the neck (mostly the elderly). Some wear the ethnic Uighur (doppa) cap or keep their hair loose. Men CAN grow beards (again usually on old ppl) and wear the doppa as well. Foreign media reports these differences as evidence of ethnic cleansing.🙄 They pray at mosques too. China spent billions building mosques for them in recent decades. they are actually so beautiful. 24,000 mosques in just XJ. look up some travel vlogs to Xinjiang on YT if u don’t believe me. Most positive info on XJ is usually not promoted on YT and don’t show up in searches unless searched for VERY specifically. Not gonna point names but a lot of websites/social media have certain automated algorithms that suppress certain videos. Some sites block/delete comments or video links when I try to comment on popular ones, like a PARTICULAR recent 9 mil view video where a guy with an annoying British accent talked about China. Talk about free speech. 🙄
Please watch some interviews or some of the self-made videos of real Uyghur voices.
@ tinyurl.com/REALUYGHURS
People need to stop acting like experts on Uighurs. None of us have even visited. It makes no sense to condone a whole ethnic group to accusations that you have not witnessed personally nor understand fully. Or listen to silly little political commentators on this. Or people like Udo Ulfkotte and Adrian Zenz. He’s a freakin Christian, why is he even researching Muslims???
I would love to see real evidence or testimonial of someone who was allegedly forced to pick cotton. Not just two blurred faces standing next to a ginormous pile of machine picked cotton on a BBC article. Someone find me evidence. I believed in Xinjiang genocide for nearly half a decade and now, I just these media reports find it funny. Hilarious.
Just because Uighurs don’t actively share their lives with outsiders doesn’t mean they’re oppressed or unhappy. Why do they have to prove anything to strangers? Why should farmers need to prove that they’re farming on their own land?
Also I’m sure all those Chinese kpop idols prolly know more about xinjiang than any us us since they were born in China and it’s a popular tourist location for Chinese ppl. If you don’t like an idol’s political views, its fine, don’t support them. They’re just posting their views based on their personal life experiences. We can’t just assume they’re being used for political purposes if we don’t know what’s going on in their minds.
References:
(mostly for cherry-picking statistics cuz its all pretty one sided)
Howell and Fan (Migration)
https://geog.ucla.edu/sites/default/files/users/fan/403.pdf
Toops (East Turkestan/XJ) https://www.jstor.org/stable/23615555?seq=1
Remi Castes (Malaise) https://journals.openedition.org/chinaperspectives/648
Testimonials https://www.youtube.com/watch?…LnLIvgADPbOOad5qi&index=2
Travel/Street Food Vlogs (mostly 2015-2017)
tinyurl.com/XJtravelvlogs (playlist)
XJ Cotton Farming/Anni Guli
tinyurl.com/XJfarmers (playlist)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xbnXINy6_8 recorded oct 2018, uploaded 2019
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHWcqGtjP2U reuploaded with eng subs just now
The Lovely BBC article that started it all
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/ext…6v8c/china-tainted-cotton
also btw John Sudworth just fled china after being sued by Xinjiang residents and local businesses for defamation, lmao. he didn’t even tell the foreign correspondent office or whatev procedures u gotta do, just left lol. technically he’s protected by international law so if he’s innocent he doesn’t hafta worry, but… lol
honestly i just think bashing on yiren is uncalled for, she's just expressing her views, just dont follow her if u don't like her or her view. thats fine but don't make it seem like she's wrong when we are not even sure about the situation ourselves.
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tinyurl.com/XJtravelvlogs
start at the beginning? i kinda suck at making links work... and my replies are all out of order....
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Fuck this explanation. If calling whatever is the Chinese government doing in there to those people genocide, will help raise awareness of the horrible things that is happening there, then so be it. At the end of the day, these are just semantics that means absolutely nothing especially when there is a group of people suffering simply based on their race/religion.
In 2009, 2011 and 2014, attacks were led by a few Uighurs in Xinjiang, aka “separatist movement,” k*lling residents indiscriminately with bombs and other weapons. The 2009 Urumqi riot is known to be instigated by Rebiya Kadeer, pres of Uighur American Association. The smaller 2014 incident had two perpetrators who set off a bomb, k*lling 3 (incl. the 2 bombers) and injuring 79 in XJ. A few more incidents here and there. Whether they were trying to cause trouble, free people or become dictators is up for you to deicide. Some of these “Muslims’” beliefs included making women stay at home, get married early and didn’t allow school, which happens to be compulsory in China. When some girls were prevented from going to school, the police found out and put them in “education centers”aka “camps” in the west. Both the adult and the kid. When violence occurred, the police stepped in and arrested all of them during attacks. Western media simply called it a "protest squashed by the gov.” It’s a handful of extremists out of a population of 20+ million in XJ, like 0.0001% so it’s even common. The majority live in peace and have basic human rights. The gov kept attackers alive. They are in jail right now and the younger ones who were teens back then are being rehabilitated aka de-radicalized in the "camps/reeducation centers." Again the information on these camps is really limited, so its hard to find info in English. Basically, there's 2 stances. China claims these policies as de-radicalization of terrorism and poverty alleviation while mainstream media calls it ethnic genocide and crimes against humanity. idk how de-radicalization means "suffering" in your eyes tho. should the gov let the handful of "innocent" terrorists run free? so they can kill the other 20 mil ppl? and oppress women? and fix your grammar, i can barely understand what you're saying....
Regarding news about atrocities happening to Uighurs, has anyone seen a real ACTUAL clip of Uighurs being rap*d, t*rtured, or k*lled? Any camera footage of the CCP committing this? Witnesses can be bought off. Words can be fake. Crying in a video. A viral video claimed to have been the CCP torturing a Uighur for reading a Quran was found to be Indonesian police beating a local thief. Many detention camp pictures were found to have come from protests in Turkey. So many examples of evidence being debunked. However, they never get reported in mainstream media. People are easily sucked into something called atrocity theory and end up feeling strongly about the topic despite only seeing few “testimonials” because it evokes sympathy, and you feel like helping. People like me who do research on it get labelled as deniers or ccp shill. whatev.
Something I found interesting is why the media targeted only Uighurs instead of 54 other ethnic minorities in China. For 10+ years. Xinjiang is full of fossil fuels, rich farmland, and a strategic location for trans-continental trade (all my fellow americans, yall mustve heard what happened in afghanistan recently, right? and coincidentally its right next to XJ, hmmm…) Uighurs happen to all live there. From my research, ethnic minorities in China are entitled to privileges like farming or housing subsidies, extra points on college exams, full scholarships, 80% subsidized healthcare, treatment before paying, etc. Policy-wise, China treats its minorities well and better than Han Chinese. BBC paints the region in a bad light (literally) using grey filters of whatever footage they have from Xinjiang, satellite images, edited versions of interviews w random Uighurs. Most ppl reporting this, AHEM John Oliver, have never even travelled there nor met the people and culture.
Regarding genocide, if you look at demographics, there are current 12.8 mil Uighurs in China and all concentrated in Xinjiang (this is a universally accepted figure), up from 9.9 mil in 2010, and their population DOUBLED in the last 4 decades. Now go look at the UCLA paper from 2011 on Uyghurs called “Migration and Inequality in Xinjiang” (Howell and Fan). It states Xinjiang total pop was 3.6 mil in 1945 (end of page 122) and on the next page, Table 1, Xinjiang demographics in 1945, Uyghurs were 82.7% of the total pop. Calculate that and u get 2.977 mil of Uighurs in 1945 in XJ, now compare that to 12.8 million in 2020, Over 4 times the pop. How did genocide cause the population to increase by 330%? Simply put, it never happened because the 1 child policy didn’t apply to them or other ethnic minorities, it only applied to the Han Chinese ethnicity in China. I would’ve used the plentiful Chinese .cn or .gov articles and statistics floating around online but no one would believe me. And someone tried to deny it by telling me that UCLA, a public university in the US, was funded by the CCP, can u believe it?? I mean my cousin is a prof at UCSF and I’m a student at a public research university. I know how funding and sh*t works. I found several other peer reviewed articles on demographics, but the idiot wouldn’t believe me.
About the camps, too lazy to write. Watch a british guy called Jason Living in China on YT. He gives a great explanation about satellite images and camps. With regard to figures, like 1 million, ppl quoted this from an NGO called CERD, which employed at the time ONE employee. Gave no evidence to back up their estimate.
Uighurs are an Eurasian “ethnic group” not a religious group. Not all Uighurs are Muslims. Historically they were not Muslim, they were Buddhist or atheists or some other spiritual beliefs. Islam gradually spread there when Turks moved there (circa 11-15th century AD, since historically there was a lot of fighting over territory). That’s why the XJ region is so complex. It's been a melting pot of cultures since the Silk Road several thousand years ago, serving as a midway point for China and Persia. Almost a whole millennia before Islam was even born, the Silk Road opened in 130 B.C.E. Currently a large portion of Uighurs practice Islam but it's different from how it looks in the Middle East or Africa. Some women wear headscarves or hair wraps but only covering the hair or a veil down to the neck (mostly elderly). Some wear the ethnic Uighur (doppa) cap or keep their hair loose. Men CAN grow beards and wear the doppa as well. Foreign media reports these differences as evidence of ethnic cleansing.🙄 They pray at mosques too. China spent billions building mosques for them in recent decades. they are actually so beautiful. 24,000 mosques in just XJ. look up some travel vlogs to Xinjiang on YT if u don’t believe me. Most positive info on XJ is usually not promoted on YT and don’t show up in searches unless searched for VERY specifically. Not gonna point names but a lot of websites/social media have automated algorithms that suppress certain videos or block/delete comments or video links when I try to comment, like a PARTICULAR recent 9 mil view video where a guy with an annoying British accent talked about China. Talk about free speech. 🙄
Please watch some interviews or some of the self-made videos of real Uyghur voices.
@ tinyurl.com/REALUYGHURS
People need to stop acting like experts on Uighurs. None of us have even visited. It makes no sense to condone a whole ethnic group to accusations that you have not witnessed personally nor understand fully. Or listen to silly little political commentators on this. Or people like Udo Ulfkotte and Adrian Zenz. He’s a freakin Christian, why is he even researching Muslims???
I would love to see real evidence or testimonial of someone who was allegedly forced to pick cotton. Not just two blurred faces standing next to a ginormous pile of machine picked cotton on a BBC article. Find me legit evidence.
Just because Uighurs don’t actively share their lives with outsiders doesn’t mean they’re oppressed or unhappy. Why do they have to prove anything to strangers? Why should farmers need to prove that they’re farming on their own land?
Also I’m sure all those Chinese kpop idols prolly know more about xinjiang than any us us since they were born in China and it’s a popular tourist location for Chinese ppl. If you don’t like an idol’s political views, its fine, don’t support them. They’re just posting their views based on their personal life experiences. We can’t just assume they’re being used for political purposes if we don’t know what’s going on in their minds.
References:
(mostly for cherry-picking statistics cuz its all pretty one sided)
Howell and Fan (Migration) https://geog.ucla.edu/sites/default/files/users/fan/403.pdf
Toops (East Turkestan/XJ) https://www.jstor.org/stable/23615555?seq=1
Remi Castes (Malaise) https://journals.openedition.org/chinaperspectives/648
Testimonials https://www.youtube.com/watch?…LnLIvgADPbOOad5qi&index=2
Travel/Street Food Vlogs (mostly 2015-2017)
https://tinyurl.com/XJtravelvlogs (playlist)
XJ Cotton Farming/Anni Guli
tinyurl.com/XJfarmers (playlist)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xbnXINy6_8 recorded oct 2018, uploaded 2019
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHWcqGtjP2U reuploaded with eng subs just now
The Lovely BBC article that started it all
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/ext…6v8c/china-tainted-cotton
also btw John Sudworth just fled china after being sued by Xinjiang residents and local businesses for defamation, lmao. he didn’t even tell the foreign correspondent office or whatev procedures u gotta do, just left lol. technically he’s protected by international law so if he’s innocent he doesn’t hafta worry, but… lol
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imma put add my stance on this since I’ve followed the subject for a while:
In 2009, 2011 and 2014, attacks were led by a few Uighurs in Xinjiang, aka “separatist movement,” k*lling residents indiscriminately with bombs and other weapons. The 2009 Urumqi riot is known to be instigated by Rebiya Kadeer, pres of Uighur American Association. The smaller 2014 incident had two perpetrators who set off a bomb, k*lling 3 (incl. the 2 bombers) and injuring 79 in XJ. A few more incidents here and there. Whether they were trying to cause trouble, free people or become dictators is up for you to deicide. Some of these “Muslims’” beliefs included making women stay at home, get married early and didn’t allow school, which happens to be compulsory in China. When some girls were prevented from going to school, the police found out and put them in “education centers”aka “camps” in the west. Both the adult and the kid. When violence occurred, the police stepped in and arrested all of them during attacks. Western media simply called it a "protest squashed by the gov.” It’s a handful of extremists out of a population of 20+ million in XJ, like 0.0001% so it’s even common. The majority live in peace and have basic human rights. The gov kept attackers alive. They are in jail right now and the younger ones who were teens back then are being rehabilitated aka de-radicalized in the "camps/reeducation centers." Again the information on these camps is really limited, so its hard to find info in English. Basically, there's 2 stances. China claims these policies as de-radicalization of terrorism and poverty alleviation while mainstream media calls it ethnic genocide and crimes against humanity.
Regarding news about atrocities happening to Uighurs, has anyone seen a real ACTUAL clip of Uighurs being rap*d, t*rtured, or k*lled? Any camera footage of the CCP committing this? Witnesses can be bought off. Words can be fake. Crying in a video. A viral video claimed to have been the CCP torturing a Uighur for reading a Quran was found to be Indonesian police beating a local thief. Many detention camp pictures were found to have come from protests in Turkey. So many examples of evidence being debunked. However, they never get reported in mainstream media. People are easily sucked into something called atrocity theory and end up feeling strongly about the topic despite only seeing few “testimonials” because it evokes sympathy, and you feel like helping. People like me who do research on it get labelled as deniers or ccp shill. whatev.
Something I found interesting is why the media targeted only Uighurs instead of 54 other ethnic minorities in China. For 10+ years. Xinjiang is full of fossil fuels, rich farmland, and a strategic location for trans-continental trade (all my fellow americans, yall mustve heard what happened in afghanistan recently, right? and coincidentally its right next to XJ, hmmm…) Uighurs happen to all live there. From my research, ethnic minorities in China are entitled to privileges like farming or housing subsidies, extra points on college exams, full scholarships, 80% subsidized healthcare, treatment before paying, etc. Policy-wise, China treats its minorities well and better than Han Chinese. BBC paints the region in a bad light (literally) using grey filters of whatever footage they have from Xinjiang, satellite images, edited versions of interviews w random Uighurs. Most ppl reporting this, AHEM John Oliver, have never even travelled there nor met the people and culture.
Regarding genocide, if you look at demographics, there are current 12.8 mil Uighurs in China and all concentrated in Xinjiang (this is a universally accepted figure), up from 9.9 mil in 2010, and their population DOUBLED in the last 4 decades. Now go look at the UCLA paper from 2011 on Uyghurs called “Migration and Inequality in Xinjiang” (Howell and Fan). It states Xinjiang total pop was 3.6 mil in 1945 (end of page 122) and on the next page, Table 1, Xinjiang demographics in 1945, Uyghurs were 82.7% of the total pop. Calculate that and u get 2.977 mil of Uighurs in 1945 in XJ, now compare that to 12.8 million in 2020, Over 4 times the pop. How did genocide cause the population to increase by 330%? Simply put, it never happened because the 1 child policy didn’t apply to them or other ethnic minorities, it only applied to the Han Chinese ethnicity in China. I would’ve used the plentiful Chinese .cn or .gov articles and statistics floating around online but no one would believe me. And someone tried to deny it by telling me that UCLA, a public university in the US, was funded by the CCP, can u believe it?? I mean my cousin is a prof at UCSF and I’m a student at a public research university. I know how funding and sh*t works. I found several other peer reviewed articles on demographics, but the idiot wouldn’t believe me.
About the camps, too lazy to write. Watch a british guy called Jason Living in China on YT. He gives a great explanation about satellite images and camps. With regard to figures, like 1 million, ppl quoted this from an NGO called CERD, which employed at the time ONE employee. Gave no evidence to back up their estimate.
Uighurs are an Eurasian “ethnic group” not a religious group. Not all Uighurs are Muslims. Historically they were not Muslim, they were Buddhist or atheists or some other spiritual beliefs. Islam gradually spread there when Turks moved there (circa 11-15th century AD, since historically there was a lot of fighting over territory). That’s why the XJ region is so complex. It's been a melting pot of cultures since the Silk Road several thousand years ago, serving as a midway point for China and Persia. Almost a whole millennia before Islam was even born, the Silk Road opened in 130 B.C.E. Currently a large portion of Uighurs practice Islam but it's different from how it looks in the Middle East or Africa. Some women wear headscarves or hair wraps but only covering the hair or a veil down to the neck (mostly the elderly). Some wear the ethnic Uighur (doppa) cap or keep their hair loose. Men CAN grow beards (again usually on old ppl) and wear the doppa as well. Foreign media reports these differences as evidence of ethnic cleansing.🙄 They pray at mosques too. China spent billions building mosques for them in recent decades. they are actually so beautiful. 24,000 mosques in just XJ. look up some travel vlogs to Xinjiang on YT if u don’t believe me. Most positive info on XJ is usually not promoted on YT and don’t show up in searches unless searched for VERY specifically. Not gonna point names but a lot of websites/social media have certain automated algorithms that suppress certain videos. Some sites block/delete comments or video links when I try to comment on popular ones, like a PARTICULAR recent 9 mil view video where a guy with an annoying British accent talked about China. Talk about free speech. 🙄
Please watch some interviews or some of the self-made videos of real Uyghur voices.
@ tinyurl.com/REALUYGHURS
People need to stop acting like experts on Uighurs. None of us have even visited. It makes no sense to condone a whole ethnic group to accusations that you have not witnessed personally nor understand fully. Or listen to silly little political commentators on this. Or people like Udo Ulfkotte and Adrian Zenz. He’s a freakin Christian, why is he even researching Muslims???
I would love to see real evidence or testimonial of someone who was allegedly forced to pick cotton. Not just two blurred faces standing next to a ginormous pile of machine picked cotton on a BBC article. Someone find me evidence. I believed in Xinjiang genocide for nearly half a decade and now, I just these media reports find it funny. Hilarious.
Just because Uighurs don’t actively share their lives with outsiders doesn’t mean they’re oppressed or unhappy. Why do they have to prove anything to strangers? Why should farmers need to prove that they’re farming on their own land?
Also I’m sure all those Chinese kpop idols prolly know more about xinjiang than any us us since they were born in China and it’s a popular tourist location for Chinese ppl. If you don’t like an idol’s political views, its fine, don’t support them. They’re just posting their views based on their personal life experiences. We can’t just assume they’re being used for political purposes if we don’t know what’s going on in their minds.
References:
(mostly for cherry-picking statistics cuz its all pretty one sided)
Howell and Fan (Migration) https://geog.ucla.edu/sites/default/files/users/fan/403.pdf
Toops (East Turkestan/XJ) https://www.jstor.org/stable/23615555?seq=1
Remi Castes (Malaise) https://journals.openedition.org/chinaperspectives/648
Testimonials https://www.youtube.com/watch?…LnLIvgADPbOOad5qi&index=2
Travel/Street Food Vlogs (mostly 2015-2017)
https://tinyurl.com/XJtravelvlogs (playlist)
XJ Cotton Farming/Anni Guli
tinyurl.com/XJfarmers (playlist)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xbnXINy6_8 recorded oct 2018, uploaded 2019
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHWcqGtjP2U reuploaded with eng subs just now
The Lovely BBC article that started it all
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/ext…6v8c/china-tainted-cotton
also btw John Sudworth just fled china after being sued by Xinjiang residents and local businesses for defamation, lmao. he didn’t even tell the foreign correspondent office or whatev procedures u gotta do, just left lol. technically he’s protected by international law so if he’s innocent he doesn’t hafta worry, but… lol
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I don't hate either. I support the Uyghurs, cotton industry crippled by US sanctions but it's an unpopular opinion on kpop forums/sites.
girl why did u close that thread? i got a crap ton of evidence that everyone is clueless about XJ. not just the Anni Guli video from 2018. literally just go to my playlist tinyurl.com/REALUYGHURS i found as much as i could about the ge.NO.cide and atrocity theory, the fake satellite pictures, etc. literally got several british dudes who explained it so simply.
