Posts by Ronnietheperth

    In my opinion, all the songs you've listed save for Magnetic and Supernova are songs that charted because they were released by top artists, not actual hits. How Sweet and Fate can maybe be classified as minor hits.

    It doesn’t matter, if it performed good enough then we can call them a hit. Because if not then I can also exclude Queencard, Spicy and I AM from your list since they also certainly chart really well initially because they get released by top artists too. Cupid is a global success, not so much from domestic side. And lastly, Ditto was in 2022 so it should be excluded from your list.


    See what I can do by nitpicking anything to make those songs feel less validated?

    ifans talking about what songs are sajaegi when we don't even live in Korea to see how succesful are the songs in the real world might be one of the dumbest things ifans do. It's really unlikely any of the songs mentioned are sajaegi, it's possible they've been promoted a lot or that they became viral, but I'd ask people to be a bit respectful and don't make those claims when there's literally no proof of anything.


    It's really unlikely How sweet will surpass Supernova, at this rate it should take 4-5 weeks and in that much time other songs would probably show up. Only way I can think is it being boosted by the single later this week, but I still have many doubts about the performance in Korea, it looks like they're going to be promoting a lot in Japan.


    It looks like Spot is not gonna have too good longevity, also I doubt Armageddon will rise more. Supernova on the other hand should definitely sweep the sotys based on digitals despite being released in May, it's the biggest song of the year without any doubt, I hope the judges will be fair and make up for the bad timing in the end year awards.

    For MMA, if they closed the gap they have with Plot Twist/LWA/Fate enough and has solid voting percentages then I can literally see it snatch judge points and win SOTY. Even though LWA number will be the worst out of those 3, it’s still IU who has a pretty strong voting power and may snatch some judge points too. Meanwhile, I don’t think they want to give the Daesang award to a B-side song or a rookie boy group at all if the number is pretty close.


    For MAMA, they need to closed the gap with Perfect Night in Spotify numbers but it will be pretty hard. If it still goes on the same rate as it currently stands Supernova will get around 200-220 Millions while Perfect Night will get around 310-330 Millions. Drama may have a better chance in this with around 280-300 Millions streams at the deadline.


    GDA will have 40% judge score and later deadline than MMA/MAMA so this will plat to Supernova’s advantage to gain some more points


    And lastly for SMA, I think they will win SMA SOTY for sure considering the award’s reputation so far. No shade to Aespa but it has been known as SM award at this point.

    With the decline of OST, I was so sure that Taeyeon would run away with ‘OST of the year’ for this year’s award shows when “Dream” reaching Top 15 on Melon and then later with Crush with his QOT’s OST just weeks ago…


    Now it seems like “Sudden shower” with Byun Woo Seok is currently on locked for awards at this point.


    *cue few weeks later when another OST drops and hits #1 in every charts*

    It’s too soon to predict the final number for SOTY award.


    For MMA for example, if you look at the gap between TWS/IU and Supernova right now in yearly ULs, it’s around 25 Millions UL difference right now. Supernova actually gained 250k UL a day right now on Plot Twist and 300k UL on LWA. So it will take around 100 days if it still goes by this rate (yes, we know it will definitely take longer) so ideally it can overtake both songs before the end of September and even if it takes longer, there is still enough time to overtake them before the deadline.


    If Dynamite can win SOTY with an August release (I know, I know…Dynamite is a global sensation which is a level above Supernova right now), there is nothing stopping Supernova from winning if it can keep up the hype it has right now through the entire year. I think we should wait around August-September to start to see a bigger picture. Like in 2022 when we thought Tomboy had it in the bag for all year long but later realized Love Dive might actually overtake it in the end.

    :skull:

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    Selection bias


    Extend the first period by 2 days (13-24/4/24) and it’s -4 in 12 days


    While subtract the last period by 2 days and it’s -12 in 19 days


    Also don’t forget that there are new releases that pushed the song down (Spot, Heya, Supernova, Maestro) and also older songs that got pushed up from new releases (Drama, Hype boy, ETA, Super shy)


    Edit: And if we look at the next period (16-24/5/24), the song only fell down 3 spots in 9 days. But it’s not fit with the narrative so it got excluded and just picked the period until only 15/5/24.

    Who cares about PAK when you just hit your career best in Spotify, still going strong in big charts like Melon and Youtube Music, hitting a new peak in their career and getting an overall great reception for the comeback and also huge anticipation for their 2nd title?


    Look at Bam Yang Geng, getting PAK but already down to #15, only few spots higher than Rhapsody of sorrow and To.X which were released months prior.

    In Melon old realtime chart, Supernova already surpassed SPOT at 0 AM (and after chart freezing).


    Kinda interesting to see how many days it takes to start overtaking SPOT at peak hours.


    Probably next morning?

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    Dammit, and I thought Taeyeon would easily runaway with this year’s Best OST. from award shows but with QOT being a bigger drama (probably one of the biggest cable drama ever) compared with Welcome to Samdalri…I expect Crush to win it for most of them now.

    Do we know the eligibility period for MAMA or MMA? I remember when IU released "Love Poem" mini album in Nov 2019 (with smash hit "Blueming"), the next year MMA conveniently started their award eligibility period the week after IU released so nothing from the album was eligible for nomination lol. November releases are tricky, MMA and MAMA both change their eligibility cut offs every year to whatever suits them. Even early Dec releases may not be safe, depending on award show politics.

    I think MMA usually have the cut-off point around mid-November iirc. So December release is probably 99% safe unless MMA wants to f*ck some of December releases for unknown reasons. Late November releases like To.X is probably 80% safe too but anything can happen. Drama is the one that is pretty much on the borderline period and I won’t be surprised if the cut-off period is after their comeback.


    Edit: I just checked MMA 2023 eligible period and it’s 4 November 2022 - 1 November 2023 while MMA 2022 is 8 November 2021 - 3 November 2022. So it’s probably safe to say 2 November 2023 is the cut-off date for eligible period this year which means Drama and To.X should be eligible.

    The context of an IU album drop and two extremely viral songs even she couldn't conquer is important to keep in mind here.


    With that competition, nearly every artist and group would "underperform" their usual standards

    When Super lady dropped, BYG hasn’t been released yet and Plot Twist was still climbing up in the 90s position (With top 5 being occupied by 4 songs that were 1.5 months old at that point). Not gonna lie, we expected something out of the gate from them, at least Top 5 should be secured at that point.

    Gidle comeback is no more an underperformance thanks to fate getting popular.

    I'd say if super lady and wife show some decent longevity it's a bigger success than ive comeback. Ive may have gotten a #1 but Baddie was a robbing an empty house. Either way and off the record have tragic longevity.

    Both aren’t looking that promising tbh. It’s not even 2 months in and they started to drop out from Top 20 in Melon and some charts. Either way is at least in Top 10 for amount of time (but very shit longetivity, I agree).


    I still consider this comeback an underperformance by their recent standard. Come on you have 3 #1 consecutive songs in a row but your title track barely cracking Top 10 this comeback?

    At last . But this will most probably struggle to be a hit in Korea

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    Too early to judge, this is only their first week with “Easy”. There are still more promotions + variety appearances to come. And most songs usually peak at their second/third week so it still has time to rise more.

    Bibi being the one who challenges IU for SOTY by looking at the list of who came back during this period, who would have guessed??? Not in my bingo card for sure.


    Just the start of the year and we already have IU, Taeyeon, Bibi on the top of digital chart this year for female solo artists.

    Way back home was the 2nd song to be accused (and honestly I think even some people accusing it finally admitted it was huge eventually because it was really really huge), first one was Nilo's Pass by. Anyway the problem weren't these 2 but after these kpop fans started to use the sajaegi argument against any song coming from a soloist that blocked their favs. In 2019 and the first half of 2020 there were like 10? different songs accused of sajaegi and some of the accusations really made no sense.


    However, I think that Melon didn't change the chart for this, this is a personal opinion and I could be wrong of course but I'm almost sure it was fandom streaming. In that moment it was becoming worse with fandoms becoming stronger and Mr trot happened in early 2020 and their singers were starting to chart like top groups with big fandoms at night too. The 24h chart system doesn't really have any effect to stop the supposed sajaegi, but it would end the realtime chart which was where the fandom streaming was reflected. A big change like that was also the perfect moment to say the bullshit that they were doing it to stop sajaegi so people would praise them but if you think about it a simple chart system wouldn't change "bought" streams in any way. Back then I personally was a good idea tbh, but I (and ig Melon, regardless of if it was because of this or because the sajaegi fr) definitely underrated the effect it would have in the charting of other songs.


    Anyway looking at the fall of other charts, all this situation can't be just because of the chart system, it's just one of probably many reasons.

    Yes, still remember about it. I can confirm Nilo was the first and the reason it got so many attention because the song eventually blocked “What is love” from PAK. Of course, fans would be livid about this but it started to blow up because THE Park Jin Young himself also accused Melon about this. (There is still a false narrative that fans believe about JYP artists not charting well and got blocked from Melon because of this issue. And you can’t even correct them.)


    Then kpop fans wouldn’t fact checked anything anymore and started to attack anything that isn’t kpop related that’s getting #1 and being a riser as “Sajaegi”. Shaun is the next one (and he got so much hate that he said he eventually had anxiety when performing his song), Lim Jae Hyun also was one of them (he also got this time but much milder), I remember Kassy got some backlash with “You’re still beautiful” and Jannabi at first (but people realized it was a real sensational hit so they quickly went silent), other artists were Song Haye, Yoon Min Soo etc. who got mentioned by drunk Park Kyung (who f*ck around and found out later) and last one was probably Changmo who blocked “Psycho” from PAK and fans got mad and attacked him (but it got backfired when public sided with him when he posted about this instead because it was a real hit). And I think no one was catching any stray after that until recently I guess.

    Tbh, To.X performance literally surprised me the most. It’s not the type of a music that screams “big hit” at all. So reaching Top 3 is already exceeding my expectation but 2 months past and it overtook Drama, Perfect night and Rhapsody of sorrow? Not in my calculation at all.


    Sad that such a good performance would get overshadowed by IU who would probably go on and sweep all best female solo awards this year.