ATRL is the Western equivalent of edgy girl group stan twitter. They don't like anyone who is not a white female pop diva (except Rihanna). A lot of those users are also gay men with severe internalized homophobia, so seeing BTS be successful while bucking the Western standards of masculinity puts them off.
It's not just BTS; ATRL gives a lot of popular black artists a hard time.
If the song is exactly the Korean GP’s taste and gets excellent promotion, yes. Anything less than that is a no.
It’s really stuck up to make fun of your fans in a mean spirited way
Yes, that’s exactly what I thought after watching the Next Level mv. Especially when she has the two toned hair, it reminds me of Taeyeon in The Boys.
Come to think of it, Irene has always reminded me of Taeyeon + Tiffany
Title got me excited for nothing 
Maybe she’s just not a stan attractor. Having that charisma is random and doesn’t always have to do with talent.
lol, he didn’t rip the award out of her hands and Beyonce wasn’t even on the stage so there’s no way he could give it to her.
He just interrupted her acceptance speech
well what the fudge did Olivia do to set off all the Swifties after her this evening?
apparently, Olivia sent Sour merch and a handwritten letter to Kim Kardashian, which Swifties see as a betrayal bc of the feud with Taylor
Nah not really I don't consider website sales legit, and I'm hoping billboard will implement whatever happened last week to Dua with future releases as well. Streaming apps are by far the most legit method of determining no.1 and not radio which are heavy with payola and website sales that are controlled by the companies. They should start counting remixes as separate releases too on that note
Anyway yep she got the support, her songs blew up on tiktok and that is apparent with how she is dominating all streaming sites
Actually what happened last week with Dua Lipa is that Billboard changed their formula to give more weight to radio. Leave the Door Open is bigger on radio than Levitating, so it pulled ahead despite Levitating outstreaming it.
Butter seems to be getting good radio spins, so I don’t think BTS is at a disadvantage there.
Also Dua fans were openly telling each other to use VPNs to give her fraudulent U.S. streams, which Army don’t do
Display MoreNot to be rude here, but why does it matter?
If Olivia charts higher than BTS, congratulate her on her achievement of placing high on the charts.
If BTS ends up charting higher than Olivia, then congratulate BTS on their achievement for charting high once again.
If we put the meaning of Olivia or BTS achievement with them "defeating" their other colleagues, it loses the meaning behind the achievement itself.
The thing that gags me is that it seems like all the cheerleading Olivia Rodrigo is receiving on this forum is obviously coming from a place of wanting to see BTS lose.
Why else would people like OP make these threads? Were people really talking about her like that in the kpop section prior to Butter? Probably not.
I don’t doubt that plenty of users like her genuinely (she appeals to teens) but it’s sooo obvious that certain users wouldn’t be so invested in her numbers if she weren’t in direct competition with BTS.
That being said, the obsession with charts is so weird, y’all. That money is not going into your pockets.
Who knows. I think they'll for sure go at least till the end of current contract. I also think that they won't disband in true meaning of this term tbh, cause BTS brand is just too big and will be beneficial for a very long time for both members and the company. The other thing is that probably little later they might just not want to continue so intense with all content and releases, probably will kinda start to do each their own thing (acting, MCing, any other business, maybe singer career, just producing, etc) or will want to slow down in industry and settle down with a partner.
I also think that there is just so much pressure on them at this point (from industry, from their nation, from government, etc), cause if smth was that wrong that they almost disbanded few years ago then now with them reaching new horizontals it must be even more stressful, so I just hope that they will be able to handle it and keep on going for as long as they can and want and it already will be amazing.
I think that’s a great point. No matter how you cut it, there’s no way they’d want to keep churning out so much extra content indefinitely. I can see them gradually phasing out stuff like Run BTS as they get older and just sticking to their music releases.
When it comes down to it, the idol lifestyle doesn’t suit a grown adult with marriage, kids and other commitments. Which is why I predict BTS to transform into a legacy act who come together to release music once in a blue moon while they spend most of their time on solo careers.
How long can a boy group last at most? It's not like they gonna tour the world at 70yo like the rolling stones.
BackStreet Boys are from the 90s but they still tour and have a solid fan base to this day. BTS may not be able to dance forever, but who’s to say they won’t have an audience for their hits when they’re older? At least in Korea, they’re on the level of icons
To answer OP, I think BTS is just too profitable to ever disband officially. I think a likelier scenario is for the boys to gradually branch off into solo careers while still officially being in BTS. Maybe they’ll come back with a group album once in a while. But that’s more like 10 years down the road.
Display MoreThey literally have the same amount of streams in Japan and have the same certifications?
Do you mean single downloads because Make You Happy has 287K Dynamie 250K?
Are you using YouTube? I don't get it.
Fans are going to carry the track love. That is how it works in Japan.
There are several songs in Japan bigger than Dynamite in 2020.
It just won't stay near the top of the charts because there isn't a hardcore fanbase keeping it up there.
That's how it works in Japan. NiziU has longevity for a hit song in Japan.
BTS is the anomaly because of Armys. They aren't the rule.
This same exact thing happened whenever Arashi or TVXQ had a hit song.
Massive Fanbase + Hit is always going to have better "longevity" than just a Hit.
Disagree about Dynamite being fandom driven. It’s not Armys keeping it at the top of the charts, because by that logic, they’d be able to do the same with any of BTS’ recent Japanese singles.
Dynamite is just really, really popular. It’s one of those songs you hear everywhere. Great streams, great downloads, great YT views.
Twice's average sales in Japan are down by around 200-250k in the space of around 18 months. They barely sell 100k per release now. They've alienated the fanbase and have driven away the old fans whilst not giving them any chance to grow with new ones which is why the numbers are as they are.
They've cannibalised any future growth for them in Japan by debuting Nizi who hit the same market/demographic but are much better promoted and have resources beyond anything Twice have (and will) ever had in Japan.
Nizi are the group for JYPE in Japan now. With one single last year they basically sold as much as all 4 of Twice's Japanese physical releases combined in the same year. Twice will just be there to tour when things open up as they are a legacy act at this point. They haven't grown in stature in Japan for a while.
Hmm, that may be true. I watched NiziU’s recent video and they give me very 2017 Twice vibes.
I think JYPE’s plan was probably to transition Twice gradually to a more mature concept a la SNSD, and to have NiziU fill that space left behind by cutesy Twice. The problem it seems is that Twice’s newer songs don’t seem to be catching on like their old hits did.
I dunno, I just feel like JYPE has no idea about how to give their girl groups long, successful careers. It feels like their ggs just blow up out of the gate and then instead of building hype they get put on an endless treadmill of comebacks
I think kpop fans tend to downplay BTS’ hits because they don’t have that one song that defined them. You know what I mean?
Boy With Luv did amazingly, but BTS was already the top group beforehand so it doesn’t seem like it impacted their career all that much.
It’s not like a Gee/Growl/Cheer Up situation where that one hit immediately placed them as the top group of the moment. Instead, BTS has a steady stream of hits that build on each other.
Anyway, it’s one of my favorite kpop songs and its success is deserved.
sanas-armpits wdyt
Currently, BTS is bigger. If you’d asked me two or three years ago who had more public recognition, I probably would say Twice.
Both are extremely successful, although I’d say their success isn’t as widespread across demographics like native Japanese artists.
